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The result was no consensus. Courcelles 04:16, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Despite some minor coverage, this seems a clear case of notability not being inherited. The minor coverage his artwork has received has all been in relation to the fact that he's Kevin Rudd's nephew, and his political candidacy easily fails WP:POLITICIAN. Frickeg (talk) 00:44, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. —Frickeg (talk) 00:47, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I'm always a bit hesistant about WP:NOTINHERITED. First, it's an essay. But more importantly, it can be over-cited. Sure, many people wouldn't be notable but for a particular relationship. But arising out of the relationship, the person might have done things or received coverage that makes them notable in their own right. V Rudd is one of those cases. He's not a mere non-notable relative who has done nothing to warrant attention - he has actively sought and received it, through spades of coverage in reliable sources. All around the world. I think he well and truly passes WP:BIO as a political activist ([[WP:POLITICIAN being limited to professional politicians).--Mkativerata (talk) 01:20, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I cited WP:NOTINHERITED was not so much that because he's Rudd's nephew he can never be notable, but that virtually all of the coverage is "Rudd's nephew does something that might embarrass Rudd!", which is hardly significant coverage in his own right. Frickeg (talk) 03:31, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But the painting that depicts Ronald McDonald (holding an Olympic torch) has nothing to do with K Rudd or federal politics. wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 12:28, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

And what's the title of the story? "Rudd nephew's artwork rejected." Frickeg (talk) 12:42, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the nephew achieved media coverage in party because of his uncle's position. You raised the point all of the coverage is "Rudd's nephew does something that might embarrass Rudd!" My point is that much of V Rudd's art work has nothing to do with with K Rudd or federal politics (and see my argument below).

Shouldn't we debate the noteworthiness of Rudd's activism, and not merely the banality of the media coverage received because of his inherited celebrity? wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 23:36, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. The more cynical among us may consider his political career an attempt to leverage his more famous uncle's notability into publicity for his political party. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 01:24, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • • He's famous for making an idiot of himself, gautam gupta style, too YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:22, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep famous clown. About as famous as any other communist clown in Australia YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 02:21, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No this isn't a joke, but this guy is notable, mainly for deliberately being controversial, unfortunately, like the Lara Bingle of politics and other WAGs YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 04:07, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. An inherited name combined with extreme idiocy is hardly grounds for notability. Do you expect Wikipedia to maintain articles about the children of every notable person in the world? The muramasa (talk) 08:13, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Kevin Rudd is notable, but the same cannot be said of his nephew. Dolphin (t) 11:43, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep famous clown, or a famous curiosity, yes. Activism and celebrity become bedfellows inevitably. Some notable clowns have earned celebrity through their art (e.g. Banksy, Andy Warhol); others have inherited celebrity (like Paris Hilton). Australia has several artists from Vietnamese background; yet few are famous. Rudd's story ads colour to the mix, and he's is not the only artist and activist on wikipedia who is a VCA graduate (others include Azlan McLennan). Stirring up controversy is what activist do. Rudd would have been a fool not to have used his last name, and anyhow, the media wouldn't a have let him. wcrosbie, Melbourne, Australia 12:17, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:15, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:15, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I'm not Australian, but based on a review of the article and some of the cited sources, he seems to pass WP:GNG based on his own activities. Notability may not be inherited, but neither does being related to a notable person set a higher bar for your own notability. --Arxiloxos (talk) 19:24, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I find significant coverage for him about things that he did. Whether the journalists who "took note" of his activities would have done so if he weren't the nephew of someone "more notable" who can say. This guy sort of reminds me of Billy Carter because some of his notability came from being the brother of the President of the United States. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:52, 30 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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