Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rajen Sharma

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 16:47, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rajen Sharma

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Sources in the article and available via WP:BEFORE do not contribute to the WP:GNG or any applicable WP:SNG. Sources that are significant are not reliable or not independent and significant coverage is lacking from nearly every source. See source assessment table for further detail. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:31, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table prepared by User:Eggishorn
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Kashyap, Samudra Gupta (18 April 2014). "In ULFA's former bastion rises new opportunity". The Indian Express. Retrieved 27 December 2021.</ref><ref>Mahanta, Nani Gopal (2013). Confronting the State: ULFA's Quest for Sovereignty. SAGE Publications. p. 59. ISBN 9788132113270.	Daily broadsheet newspaper of Mumbai	generally considered reliable	passing mention only	✘ No
Mahanta, Nani Gopal (2013). Confronting the State: ULFA's Quest for Sovereignty. SAGE Publications. p. 59. ISBN 9788132113270.	Independent academic publishing house	Major academic publisher generally considered reliable	passing mention only	✘ No
"ULFA leader Rashmita Asom alias Jahnabi Mahanta Rajkonwar passes away". Times of Assam. 8 February 2013. Retrieved 28 December 2021.	~ Founded independently but recently purchased by a consultancy	significant reliability concerns	passing mention only	✘ No
Gokhale, Nitin Anant (1998). The Hot Brew: The Assam Tea Industry's Most Turbulent Decade, 1987-1997. Spectrum Publications. p. 19. ISBN 9788185319827.	Academic publication	Academic with large number of cites	No mention of Sharma	✘ No
Misra, Udayon (2000). The Periphery Strikes Back: Challenges to the Nation-state in Assam and Nagaland. Indian Institute of Advanced Study. p. 141. ISBN 9788185952741.	Published by Indian Institute of Advanced Study	IIAS generally recognized as reliable	Passing mention only	✘ No
Gogoi, Dilip (2016). Unheeded Hinterland: Identity and Sovereignty in Northeast India. Taylor & Francis. p. 69. ISBN 9781317329213.	Academic source	Major academic publisher generally considered reliable	passing mention only and claim cited fails verification	✘ No
Das, Samir Kumar (1994). United Liberation Front of Assam: a Political Analysis. Ajanta Publications. p. 95. ISBN 9788120204072.	Cannot assess due to limited information on author and publisher	Cannot assess due to limited information on author and publisher	passing mention only and claim cited fails verification	✘ No
"Rakta Borna Protigya (ৰক্তবৰ্ণ প্ৰতিজ্ঞা) Poem of Uddipta Hazarika alias Rajen Sharma". YouTube. Retrieved 10 January 2022.	YouTube	YouTube	3 minute poem recitation	✘ No
"Voice of Ulfa caught in Bhutan net - Shroud of secrecy over evacuation of injured Bhutanese soldiers to army base in Guwahati". The Telegraph (India). 17 December 2003. Retrieved 28 December 2021.	Daily broadsheet newspaper of Kolkata	generally considered reliable	passing mention only	✘ No
Shah, O.P. (1989). Parlance: Volume 13. University of Virginia. p. 24.	Cannot assess due to limited information on author and publisher	Cannot assess due to limited information on author and publisher	Failed verification and a 1989 source has been cited for a 2019 event	✘ No
"In the Court of Judge: Designated Court, Assam" (PDF). 31 August 2015. Retrieved 28 December 2021.	Court proceeding	WP:RSPRIMARY and conflicted testimony is apparent	Case about Sharma's death in a shooting	✘ No
"মোৰ ৰক্তবৰ্ণ প্ৰতিজ্ঞা " কবি: ৰাজেন শৰ্মা ( উদ্দীপ্ত হাজৰিকা)". YouTube. Archived from the original on 10 January 2022. Retrieved 10 January 2022.	Facebook - NB: the website is given as YouTube by the cite template but this is incorrect	Facebook	poem recitation	✘ No
Ahmed, Farzand (31 March 1980). "Extremist guerrilla organisation ULFA runs parallel govt in Assam with ominous implications". India Today. Retrieved 28 December 2021.	Flagship publication of India Today Group	generally considered reliable	~ One paragraph concerned with Sharma's funeral after he was lynched out of 22 mostly concerned with other events.	~ Partial
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

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Delete and salt per nom's source assessments, and noting as well that essentially all substantive content on the page has been written by socks and/or UPE editors. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:00, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per nom's analysis of sources. If some significant other emerges a different story, but as stands its delete. Salt is probably a good idea too. Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:03, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment I searched by his alias i.e. "Uddipta Hazarika" and found 5 good coverages in Google books. Those books were not added as source to support the article. Maybe we can modify it with good citation. (Though the article person died before my birth, I have read about him and his poems too ) Maybe we should consider improvement. --Priya Ragini (talk) 23:07, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP I have attached more sources. --Priya Ragini (talk) 04:56, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended discussion with refbomber

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

I took a look at the additional sources, I don't think they make a case for keep. These three sources, [1], [2] and [3] are mere-mentions that at most could help make a case that he should be mentioned at United Liberation Front of Asom. This source was mangled by Google Translate for me [4], but even if given benefit of the doubt on its depth (which, based on what did translate successfully, it probably doesn't deserve) looking at the homepage of the host website [5] it appears to be a blog post and thus not reliable unless the author is a recognized expert on the subject. I checked Google Books myself and only found more mere mentions_signed,Rosguill ^talk 05:11, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed these changes as further WP:REFBOMBing that does nothing to improve the article or demonstrate notability. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 06:03, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why you have removed? A few of them coverages his life. And his death is notable incident which you can't deny. Also you can't deny his organisational position. Mentions maybe, but his death and his position are notable. --Priya Ragini (talk) 06:18, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Read the links I left and the source assessment table. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 06:30, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This paper on Assamese digitization says Nila charai, Xahitya are all literary magazines. The state contains as many people as California, but with only 35% connected to internet, a lot of latitude is necessary in things like site appearances. Hemantha (talk) 10:35, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, looking again that appears to be a literary magazine and they have an English About Us page that describes an editorial board. That having been said, I had another go at translation with a different service and...it looks like a false positive. The segments of text that may have been referring to the subject are:

The name Laura did not come to mind at that time. But how can we hurt his respect and sincerity! It's not that I don't love you, it's that I don't love you, it's that I don't love you, it's that I don't love you. He smiled at me and said, "I'm excited, I mean excited audience." Real name is Rajen Sharma. I am her goddess Nripen Sharma. ' Shameless self-promotion for Ballistic Products and a great bargain on a neat little knife for you. The story of his sacrifice, which was read aloud. "I am a follower of Gandhiji's ideals," he said. Lara's ideology does not match my ideology. Even so, owning one is still beyond the reach of the average person. My only son was very talented. Sapon looked at the shelf. He died in the country. We are proud of that. But what happened now? Most of his logs are out of the room. '

and

His words came true. ‘My Lara could be ideal for tens. Many still remember him. Many people have written to Molai Tinukukiya, Margherita, saying, "Goddess Uddipta is not dead. We have named my daughter Uddipta. Uddipta."

At most, this is a literary allusion to the subject in a work of fiction, and based on the text there's still a fair chance that this is a total coincidence. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:10, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:BASIC as shown by source assessment table. Mztourist (talk) 08:24, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now for much the same reasons as the other related AfD. There's a small paragraph on him in this brief book. Works like this poem and a novel Sanglot Fenla being dedicated to him indicate some cultural impact. This paper analyzing some of the pamphlets by the subject, says In their paeans to ULFA rebels and their sympathizers and supporters, the names of Uddipta Hazarika, the first publicity chief of the organization and Kabi Ranjan Saikia are hallowed The appeals of difficult-to-access offline sources, usually made facilely in areas with much higher internet penetration, appear to actually apply here and this article, created only a couple of months ago, should be given more time, with perhaps a notability or sourcing tag. UPE issues were to do with a website owner's attempts to drive referral traffic, and not directly related to the subject AFAIK. Hemantha (talk) 10:35, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think for the level of coverage that we have, we could source a paragraph at our article for the ULFA mentioning their hagiography of him, but lacking sources that establish basic biographical information as we do, creating an article is premature. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:10, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - As per nom and Mztourist. Does not meet WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:59, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP as Hemantha illustrated. Rosguill is also in some condition with illustrations of the person in question. Uddipta Hazarika is very much noted personality in Assam History references. He is still famous for his modern trend of Assamese poetry. I agree with Hemantha that mainstream media always ignores issues rather than Delhi centric, Gov version and upper cast Hinduism of North India. Wiki must consider as Hemantha illustrated. --Nang Nandini (talk) 09:23, 28 February 2022 (UTC)— Nang Nandini (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
I can't follow what you're trying to say about my comment, and it's not clear where you're pulling the quoted greentext from. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 21:03, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the nom's thorough source analysis: absolute failure of WP:BASIC. SN54129 14:02, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails both WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. ManaliJain (talk) 11:23, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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