The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to The Wheel of Time (TV series),. Closing as a redirect due to WP:TOOSOON and a struggle to find sources that help the subject pass WP:GNG. Thanks everyone for participating and assuming good faith! Missvain (talk) 18:51, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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This article was converted to a redirect by a new page reviewer, a decision which was reverted by the initial editor who then started an RfC on the talk page. I closed that RfC (which had received no participation) as the forum for discussing article deletions and redirects is AfD, and thus I am bringing this here now. As it were, I agree with the original reviewer's decision to redirect the article to The Wheel of Time (TV series), as the subject does not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR, and all available coverage is mere mentions associated with their role in that upcoming series. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep : The subject is notable as per the first criterion in WP:ENT. Played in several productions and was nominated for an award in British Independent Film Awards 2018. Also WP:GNG does not apply as the subject has coverage in secondary reliable sources (which are linked in the article). Finally regarding the redirect: as User:Rosguill seems to agree with the redirect could you please cite the relevant reason from WP:RPURPOSE and address how redirecting to The Wheel of Time (TV series) does not violate WP:SELFRED? Hg03u (talk) 23:33, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ENT specifies that a subject should have multiple significant roles in notable works. Currently, the only clearly notable works listed are Shakespeare & Hathaway: Private Investigators, where Rutherford is not even mentioned in the Wikipedia article and thus probably did not have a significant role, and Wheel of Time, which hasn't debuted yet so it's premature to judge whether Rutherford's role is significant (or if the show is truly notable; it could still be cancelled). It's possible that other works were notable, but the burden of proof is on you or another keep voter to demonstrate that.
  2. Winning an award is not a guarantee of notability (see WP:ANYBIO––only particularly significant and well known awards are shoo-ins), and newcomer awards in particular are a weak indication of notability. Given that Rutherford didn't even win, there's not much to go on here.
  3. Current sourcing is nowhere near GNG. Let's go through the sources:

  1. a tweet by Wheel of Time's account, which is not significant or secondary
  2. IMDb, which is not reliable (see (RSP entry)), significant, or secondary
  3. a casting announcement at Variety, which is secondary but is not significant as it is WP:ROUTINE

  As for why redirecting, it's pretty standard to redirect actors that do not meet notability guidelines to the articles about their most notable work, as they can be considered sub-topics of that article _signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:46, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect They have not had "significant" roles in "multiple" notable productions. They seem to have only had a role in one notable production, but there is no evidence presented that they had a signifcant role in Shakespeare and Hathaway. The role in Wheel of Time may or may not be significant, but since it has not been released that remains to be seen. Even if it is significant, it will just be one role, so not fulfilling multiple significant roles in major productions. The current sourcing is all routine, not secondary or not reliable, so no where near passing GNG.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:41, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep or Redirect: He has had significant roles, but the productions don't seem all that notable. It might be WP:TOOSOON, so I'd support a "Redirect" if most other editors do not vote "Keep/Weak Keep". Dflaw4 (talk) 13:26, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per WP:TOOSOON, above discussion, and WP:CHEAP. He's just been cast in a new scripted series. We're at peak for scripted work right now, so it could be cancelled or maybe a runaway hit. Until this, he's never had any major role. A redirect will save the coding in case, while also allowing for our core readers to search for his name and finding something relevant. Bearian (talk) 15:44, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.