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The result was delete. IP comments discounted.  Sandstein  10:57, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jose Landi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Jose "Pele" Landi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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MMA fighter with only two top tier fights, both losses. Fails WP:NMMA. Article was deleted last year at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/José Landi-Jons. Since then he's had one fight--a loss in a very minor organization.Jakejr (talk) 04:00, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• keep considered to be a top 10 black mma fighter. Fought twice in Pride. Defeated 3 champions.173.52.89.236 (talk) 12:24, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete not notable as an MMA fighter. Only two top tier fights with no wins fails WP:NMMA. Coverage does not meet GNG and I don't see anything that makes him more notable than when the article was previously deleted. Notability is not gained from who he fought (WP:NOTINHERITED). Astudent0 (talk) 17:10, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Well known black mma fighter. Top 10 fighter in history2607:FB90:E9A:510D:0:48:EBBF:E701 (talk) 04:53, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Don't see how he's among the top 10 in history when he's never won a fight in a top tier organization. Where is the reliable independent evidence of this ranking? New IPs present no sources to support notability claim. Astudent0 (talk) 16:57, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

He was a top 10 black fighter in history. [1]. He was also ranked number one for lightweight fighters. [2] 173.52.89.236 (talk) 18:15, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

He fought twice in Pride. He also defeated Pat Miletich when Pat was the current UFC Welterweight titleholder. [3] . Chuck Liddell describes him as a legend [4], another book describes him as well regarded [5]. Matt Hughes wrote about his loss to him in the book. [6] In 1999, he was ranked as the number 1 light weight fighter in NHB/MMA. [7] . He certainly passes GNG. 173.52.89.236 (talk) 18:11, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Creating their own MMA notability criteria can't change the fact that Landi never won a fight in a top tier organization (although he lost two) and fails the notability criteria for MMA fighters at WP:NMMA. Routine sports coverage doesn't meet WP:GNG and coverage of a running feud with his coach doesn't show notability.Jakejr (talk) 03:08, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jakejr, top 10 ranked fighter isn't notable? [8] CrazyAces489 (talk) 04:50, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Question - I don't have an opinion on this yet, but why is it so important that he didn't win any of those fights? I would think that merely participating in these high end fights would be notable enough. Cosmic Sans (talk) 16:15, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

According to WP:NMMA is does not matter if he wins or looses but the number (3) does. Still if he won 2 one could say close enough and be a bit more forgiving. As it stands he was given two chances and didn't come close. The number 3 for top tier fights was chosen by long term consensus since what was looked for was staying power at the highest level. Those with a loosing record for the first two fights rarely get another chance.Peter Rehse (talk) 16:25, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Fails WP:NMMA and lacks the significant independent coverage to meet WP:GNG. He can't inherit notability from his opponents and the top 10 ranking wasn't an overall ranking. If he was among the best ever it seems like he could have won a top tier fight or gotten more than two of them.Mdtemp (talk) 14:35, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep many independent articles about individual . 2607:FB90:246A:83B:0:24:F72F:A901 (talk) 17:54, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Doesn't meet the notability criteria for MMA fighters at WP:NMMA. Unlike all the new IPs, I don't see the significant independent coverage required to meet WP:GNG. The sources are either routine sports reporting or deal with the feud he had with his coach--which would seem to fall more under WP:BLP1E. Papaursa (talk) 20:20, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete There is nothing added to change my opinion with the previous AfD. Does not meet WPNMMA.Peter Rehse (talk) 20:52, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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