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The result was redirect to William Frels, without prejudice against future restoration of the article with reliable sources. Deryck C. 21:54, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The Texas State Historical Association, in its entry on William Frels, makes no mention of a brother John co-founding the community, nor was I able to find any evidence online that he existed. Have I missed something? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:46, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. —Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:49, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 17:48, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep(see below)- Yes. here; searched frels at TSHA and that came up, discusses mentionsJohn. Dru of Id (talk) 20:54, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment- As co-founder of unincorporated community Frelsburg, Texas, but sufficient sources are most likely offline. Community's website unsupportive. Dru of Id (talk) 21:01, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks. Rather than withdrawing this, I think I'll let it stand, to see if there's any support for merging John's article into William's? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:11, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge & Redirect- Until better sourced; only other online data is Skip's double-entry bookkeeping at Findagrave & redux (side by side?); Further reading section at Frelsburg looks promising, but deadtree stuff. Dru of Id (talk) 21:32, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • What's wrong with dead tree stuff? Information existing on paper rather than digitalised can hardly be a reason not to keep? Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:42, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Wifione ^Message 15:42, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment So there is evidence that he existed in digital format, but the only support of his notability is on paper? Is there a chance that a request could be made to TSHA to scan this 'deadtree stuff'? Otherwise, a delete may be in order. Yutsi ^Talk/ Contributions 15:48, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment- There's nothing wrong with deadtree stuff, my superpowers just don't include seeing it from here. Without that, I cannot tell how in depth they cover this subject, since it is not their primary topic. 3 books about him would be Keep!; 3 books with chapters would be Keep.; 3 books that say 'he had a brother', without mentioning the name would be Delete! Sight unseen, I'm waffling, which I don't like. Dru of Id (talk) 21:39, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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