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The result was delete.  Sandstein  06:21, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

House of Habsburg-Itúrbide (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log • Stats)

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There is no such house in either or Google Books[1] Google Scholar[2]. The House of Iturbide disappeared long ago. Mexico abolished all nobility tittles in 1917.

This pretender doesn't appear in any source either:

• Maximilian von Götzen-Itúrbide

--Enric Naval (talk) 17:10, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

While the above is likely a real person, it's not clear the House of Habsburg-Itúrbide really exists. The only source for the whole article is this website, which states only that "the couple [ Maximilian I of Mexico and Charlotte of Belgium, his wife] had by this stage accepted the fact that they could not have any children of their own so to secure the succession they adopted the heir of the original Mexican imperial house and his cousin, thereby not only securing the succession but also legitimising their position in the eyes of the monarchist supporters of the Iturbide’s. These adopted Mexican princes would succeed Maximilian with the name of Habsburg-Iturbide." There's no other reference to the name, anywhere.Flyte35 (talk) 18:12, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And that website looks like a personal website written by the pretender himself.... --Enric Naval (talk) 18:45, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and they were only adopted as an act of justice to protect the descendants of an dethroned emperor, Maximillian considered they were not of royal blood, and he never intended them to inherit anything [3]. --Enric Naval (talk) 18:55, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Even if it is the the pretender, the website doesn't even say that the House of Habsburg-Itúrbide is extant, is says merely that that WOULD have been the name if things had gone differently.Flyte35 (talk) 20:40, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

*Merge or Redirect with/to House of Iturbide. Roodog2k (talk) 17:14, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not good enough. There's no outside reference to confirm that the House of Habsburg-Itúrbide even exists. Recommend full deletion.Flyte35 (talk) 18:14, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I agree, but others may have the mistaken impression that this exists. A redirect and updated content could correct this mistaken impression. Roodog2k (talk) 19:04, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are no reliable sources documenting the pretender or his claim or the non-existing house. And we have a reliable source saying that they were never going to inherit any royal right. We can add one sentence saying that there is a pretender, but it won't be sourced to any reliable source, just to this person's personal website. --Enric Naval (talk) 12:01, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I didn't create this article. I created it as a redirect to House of Iturbide. It was edited upon later by another editor.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 08:36, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Changed my vote, per above. Roodog2k (talk) 17:35, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:55, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:56, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Grahame (talk) 02:47, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - not a hoax, nor is it recognized by any government or any reliable source; rather, it is more like a fringe idea. Bearian (talk) 20:28, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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