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The result was merge to Judeo-Christian. Gosh...it's...it's...it's SNOWing! (non-admin closure) Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 06:49, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Christianity and Judaism (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

This article violates WP:POVFORKING. But, there are many problems with it so that it has never truly become a rational and agreeable one, and it never will, given all the bickering that it has always engendered, and no wonder, it's a POV magnet. It is a surprise that it has lasted in spite of all its blatant failings and violations. Nominating this article for deletion is justified by the four tags at the top of its page alone: Template:Overlinked; Template:POV; Template:Original research; Template:Essay-like that have been placed on its page by other editors, that prove its violation of WP:NOR and WP:NPOV. But that is just part of the huge problem here. Essentially this article is not needed because whatever needs to be said on this topic has always been presumed to be covered more than adequately in the acceptable Judeo-Christian article with its conventional and academically known and reliable name, with an added accurate and comprehensive Category:Judeo-Christian topics, thus making this poorly constructed Christianity and Judaism article a blatant duplicate and additional article seem like a contrived attempt to showcase the topic of Christianity first (why, is it perhaps for some missionary reason, it is not clear), which defies both history and theology because it is chronologically Judaism that precedes and "gives birth" to Jesus and Christianity, which the traditional Judeo-Christian name and label aptly conveys, so that to reverse the order has to be interpreted as a not so subtle attempt at religious and historical revisionism. This article falls flat on its face in its ambition in spite of the sources it cites, unlike more focused articles like Relations between Catholicism and Judaism or Messianic Judaism. IZAK (talk) 07:58, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge and redirect to Judeo-Christian for above reasons. IZAK (talk) 07:58, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. IZAK (talk) 08:27, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. IZAK (talk) 08:27, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect to Judeo-Christian --Yoavd (talk) 09:36, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect to Judeo-Christian Yehoishophot Oliver (talk) 13:27, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect to Judeo-Christian Kuratowski's Ghost (talk) 13:29, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect to Judeo-Christian LisaLiel (talk) 14:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect to Judeo-Christian --Banime (talk) 15:17, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The scope of the topic is not proper for an encyclopedia article. Better to write a book. Northwestgnome (talk) 16:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect to Judeo-Christian per nom. -- Avi (talk) 16:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Nominator's arguments are flawed. Article was split from Judeo-Christian in 2001 and is not a content fork as Judeo-Christian specifically says it about the concepts the two religions have in common, while this arctilce specifically addresses the areas the two religions differ on. Tags being added is a ground for improvement, not deletion. An article being prone to edit warring is not grounds for deletion either, otherwise Barak Obama, John McCain, and hundreds of other articles should be deleted. Merging to Judeo-Christian while valid and clearly better than deletion, would make that article rather long. Edward321 (talk) 17:00, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• 'Delete since whatever is valuable in this article is already covered in the other (noted) articles, and this essay (not 'article'), besides being overly long and tedious (and still short on facts and references), is not appropriate for Wikipedia. I've had to read too many essays like this one, written by students with more zeal than knowledge. Drmies (talk) 18:09, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect to Judeo-Christian per IZAK. Article is written like an essay one would find in a college christian theology course rather than an encyclopedia article. Some of the information is useful, but its mainly written from a pro-christian POV which could be used to "stir-the-pot". -- Nsaum75 (talk) 18:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect - this sounds like WP:SNOW. JFW | T@lk 19:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect, per IZAK. Jayjg ^(talk) 23:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect, per IZAK. Gzuckier (talk) 14:30, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect to Judeo-Christian per above. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 09:10, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge and redirect to Judeo-Christian per above LegoK^ontribsT^alkM 00:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.