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The result was delete. per WP:SNOW Coffee // have a cup // ark // 01:54, 12 October 2009 (UTC) 01:54, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Benjamin Presley Keough (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

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Notability is not inherited. Subject fails WP:MUSICBIO. Signed to a label, but no songs released, much less charted. No albums released either, guideline requires two. Lara 20:28, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Not yet notable. Kevin (talk) 20:33, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom - come back when he has actually pass WP:MUSICBIO.--VirtualSteve ^{need admin support?} 21:06, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Not yet notable. Yworo (talk) 22:39, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Notability is not inherited. Joe Chill (talk) 22:48, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, per VS. Nothing here to indicate individual notability. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 23:19, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment While there are sources out there, the best I can find are this article from The Telegraph and this article from the Daily Mail. Not great, but something, and the fact that the news for which he is receiving this coverage just broke would suggest that by the time this AfD ends the story will be picked up by many other media outlets. Admittedly, I have inclusionist tendencies when it comes to biographical articles. faithless (^speak) 23:35, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Luckily I have deletionist tendencies on biographical article to counter that. ;) Even if his record deal picks up traction in the news, he's still not notable by MUSICBIO. Being Elvis' grandson or whatever may get him special attention in the media, but notability isn't inherited on WP. Lara 00:52, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Specific notability guidelines like MUSIC, ATHLETE, and ENTERTAINER can be handy guides, but they are by no means hard-and-fast rules. Not that you need to be told this, but Wikipedia:Notability states: If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article. Mind you, I'm mostly just playing devil's advocate here, but if this guy receives significant media coverage, it doesn't really matter why he receives it. An artist doesn't need a number one single or a platinum album to be notable - for a hyperbolic example, the Grateful Dead never enjoyed any chart success whatsoever, but no one would deny their notability. Again, I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'. :) faithless (^speak) 04:05, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just throwing this out there: since yesterday Entertainment Weekly, The Daily Telegraph, Perez Hilton, and Metro have all run stories on him. Does this coverage make him notable? Maybe, maybe not; to be honest, I don't care much either way. faithless (^speak) 21:07, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I'm an inclusionistJGG59 (talk) 01:56, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• delete - I'm mostly an inclusionist, but this person is not notable enough for the drama that comes with being a grandson of elvis who has a wikipedia biography. Where are the he's actually elvis reincarnated people? --Rocksanddirt (talk) 02:53, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete As mentioned above he isn't really notable yet. You can't establish notability by saying he's the grandson of Elvis or simply because he signed a record deal. Try again when there's something of substance to write about. Vyvyan Basterd (talk) 08:01, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete for now. I think the idea that the subject isn't notable yet is spot on - a $5 million contract is impressive, but the notability guideline of WP:MUSICBIO is tied to the releases themselves. So, when his first album is released and charts, which I expect it will, then he will meet criteria #2 (Has had a charted single or album on any national music chart.), and we'll have an article on him after all. We're not there yet, though. Would a mention of the contract be in order for the record label, though? It is a large contract receiving some media attention. Not a great compromise, but it's something. UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 14:39, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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