Greetings! I saw the debate on Talk:Historic counties of England. Pretty conclusive stuff, but still being dismissed by the vocal disbelievers. Of course "a policy exists..." so facts must not be allowed to get in the way! Pretty sad really, but to quote another oft-used phrase "consensus can change", as we've seen with the Royal Mail and their utter climb-down over Rutland. Owain (talk) 20:43, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. User:Jza84 went into full-on denial mode and User:MRSC is bizarrely still pretending that "ancient or geographical counties" were invented by ABC! The census reports could not be clearer that the "counties proper" were unaffected by the creation of modern local government. Do you think we should take this to arbitration? Lancsalot (talk) 11:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've just been reading some of your postings as well, having tried myself to correct articles and had the inevitable result of them being reverted almost immediately. But it seems as though at Wikipedia the "established guidelines" take precedence over facts, not to mention the rule about verifiable information being completely ignored by those with an agenda to try and eradicate knowledge of the real counties, since they cannot produce one single official source to support their claim (since none exists, of course). I certainly believe that the long-established editors of these particular pages are not exhibiting a neutral point-of-view themselves and have an agenda to support the local authorities in their attempts to push their current administrative boundaries. I would not be at all surprised if many of them are actually government bureaucrats themselves in some capacity (especially when looking at opening paragraphs of some place articles which are littered with descriptions of which government statistical region with an obscure alphanumeric designation the place lies within). At least we can hope that those with a deep enough interest will read the talk pages, look at the revision histories, and take the time go to the Assoc. of British Counties site and similar themselves to find the facts. -Paul (Born in Middlesex, in 1966). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.112.142.201 (talk) 14:21, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Please take the time to read our principles thoroughly, so you will able to contribute more constructively to our project. MRSC • Talk 01:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For the avoidance of doubt, your edit here is what is precluded by our principle of WP:Civility. MRSC • Talk 01:12, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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