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This topic appears to be a natural subarticle of only recently created 'religion and children', so a section there giving a summary of this article would be appropriate. Richard001 (talk) 03:22, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why is there a filter block on any use of phrases related to sex with children? Islamic leaders saying that sex with pre-pubity childen is aberrant in every developed, democratic society. Such an assertion should be allowed, especially using words such as P__dophile 86.11.51.106 (talk) 16:47, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

are covered in 'Soraat Louqmaan' Q:31:13-19 in the shape of Luqman's counsel to his son (7yrs+)(above the age of distinguishing of good from bad ie.'Sinn AtTameez'), & in Soraat Israi Q:17:23-39 as God's commands to the progeny & the parents, & in 'Souraat Tahaa' Q:20:132 commanding parents through the address to the Prophet to ask the family to establish the prayers of 'Salat', the second tenet of Islam & the main character-builder of an Islamic character, because if established properly with 'Khashou' (with presence of heart) it builds resistance against indecency ( or 'Fahshaae') by being building God-consciousness at all times, & in 'Soraat AlKahaf' Q:18:10-16 as a model story of young men because of their superb attitude to their Creator were helped by Him to overcome their opposers by a miracle reinforcing good & upright behavior showing that such is approved & loved by God, & in 'Soraat AlAnbia' Q:21:50-70 as model story of young Abraham how he stood by the truth by his logical arguments against untruth, blind following & persecution until God helped him to overpower his opposers, & 'Soraat Ashoraaa' Q:26:69-104 with same episode of young Abraham with further aspects of same argument for establishng the truth & a new dimension of guidance & confirmation of eternal reward of paradise for the goodness by God, & 'Soraat AlQasas' Q:28:23-28 in "(24)...thereafter one of the two (she) came walking on virtue...(25)" sets the standard for the virtuous behavior for the young muslim women comprehensively in a very precise, concise & the most eloquent text ever to be found regarding this issue, & 'Soorat AtTakweer' Q:81;8-9 "(7)And if the buried (daughter) is asked(8) By what sin she was murdered(9)?" on the Day of Judgment showing the enormity of crime of infanticide in Islam, as a heart-shaking warning ever can be uttered in words to the prospective criminals to desist from this dastardly crime to avoid extra-ordinary punishment from God for protection of the rights of minors, & in Hadeeth, "whoever brings up a daughter or more will be a companion to me (the Prophet) in Paradise as a distance between fingers of hand" , & children along with the wealth are God's bounty (Q:__:__:) & decoration (Q:18:46) of this world & part of trust (or 'amanat) (Q;__:__) of the human vicegerancy (Q:2:30) of this planet given to Adam to build & populate according to God's plan & rules (Sharia) & test { or 'fitna'}(Q:_:__) as part of their test of parents' deeds of forbearance & hardship as both go through for the upbringing & educating of the progeny until maturity to be a ripened or righteous progeny starting from the supplication on the night of the wedding as per the Prophet's supplication & hardship of delivery as the mother goes through & weaning (Q:_:_), the mother has three times stronger right to companionship by the progeny than the father as per the Hadeeth, & "And God has ordained that you should not worship except Him & by the parents benefaction"(Q:_:_), & the Prophet has commanded that you should separate them in bed by seven years of age & command them to 'salat' prayers & by ten years of age if they do not obey spank them (out of God-given parental right to discipline "darb ghair moubarrah" {unintenseful striking}) as per the Hadeeth, & daughters above the age of seven (puberty) have to cover all their body except their faces, hands & feet as per the Hadeeth, & the boys are to be taught the sports of swimming, horse-riding & archery as per the Hadeeth so they will be strong & healthy youngmen, & "whoever takes care of an orphan, he & I will be companion in Paradise as the distance between two fingers" as per the Hadeeth, & the general relationship between parents & progeny is of love, mercy, compassion, respect & benefaction & an act of worship to God for God's sake & on His command (Q:__:__) so the progeny's deeds are extension of the parents for which they are rewarded as one's deeds ends when one dies except by three means: a beneficial knowledge one has left for humanity, or a continuing charity or a righteous progeny supplicating for him as per the Hadeeth. So a good son or daughter is a triple charity & bonanza for multiplication of the parent's deeds: he or she is a beneficial knowledge one has left for humanity, & is a living charity who will also bring righteous generation & so on until the Day of Judgment until that the parents' deeds will be credited for the deeds of all the following generations & a righteous progeny supplicating for the parents always till their last in prayers or otherwise, & 'misk alkhitaam' or " the ending with the musk" & the ultimate benefit being that the parents will enter the pyramidical Paradise with their progeny in a state of eternal immortality & youth with the height of Adam of 60 arms (meters) & with a width of 7 arms (meters) for an eternal bliss, with the least of the Paradise-dweller each owning property of at least 50 Earthfuls & they will be like kings there as per the Hadeeth, as the God's ultimate bounty & mercy all of the family will be elevated to the rank of the best of them (Q:__:__)' & the whole plan of creation since God created the Pen would have run its course & the angels will be praising God & the paradise-dwellers will be in an eternal party where everything will be free taken care of being the guests of God in an eternal abode of palaces of gold & gardens & rivers where there will be eternal freshness & beauty, & where they will get every day more beautiful & happier, their clothes will never wear out nor their youth, all food & drink & fruit in abundance, in it will be one has never seen or thought of or heard, all kinds of free transport, no boringness, no desire ever to leave it, no work, no sickness, no hunger, all unprohibited drinking & eating will be for pleasure, no heat, no sun, no worship, no obligation, no extreme cold, always pleasant, no day or night but constant light, no dirt, drinking & eating without urinating or defecating (all drink & food taken to their fill will dissipate into air upon an hiccup of musk), spit-free, no facial or body hair, no vain talk, nothing bad, all good & allowed, nothing prohibited that's why the Prophet one day asked his (young) companions; "Ala moushammir liljannah?" or "Is anyone rolled-up for Paradise?" [This gives the overview of the essence of Islamic upbringing of their children] ILAKNA (talk) 16:03, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

and therefore does not require another expert reliable source on the same subject to verify and further explain his own quoted views about sexual activity with young girls. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.177.16.151 (talk) 04:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The following 2 URLs do not redirect to the new locations of the pages, and appear to be gone for good:

• http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/humanrelations/womeninislam/marriage.html#consent
• http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/humanrelations/womeninislam/marriage.html#safety

I could find no obvious alternate site for those references. But since http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/SH_SL/islamic_law_regarding_marriage.htm is also given as a reference for most of the claims those support, the remaining (minor) claims only the defunct links support, if no one else can find replacements.

The Crab Who Played With The Sea (talk) 21:41, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

{{admin help}} Please WP:Revdel the contributions and summaries of 212.34.160.66 (talk · contribs) and StrongChristianEurope (talk · contribs), per WP:RD3. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 17:45, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Already  Done by Syrthiss (talk). JohnCD (talk) 17:59, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article seems to have more wrong with it than right. Over-reliance on WP:PRIMARY SOURCES, a magnet for contravention of WP:NPOV, lacking citations, overlap with other articles, etc. Is there any point in keeping it? Some of it could be moved into Islam and humanity, several sections have main articles already, and most of the rest is waffle or the kind of prurient interest that Islamophobes seem to be attracted to. Overall it just seems pretty pointless. (I've never used the template for proposed deletion before, but have just added it to the article, I hope correctly.) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:42, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]