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Someone keeps writing that he is Kurdish-American. If we are talking about ethnicity, American should be excluded. If we are talking nationality, than it should be Turkish-American and visitors of the page shouldn't be allowed to change it. I think the best form would be Turkish-American businessmen of Kurdish descent, since Kurdish is not a nationality.--173.77.253.53 (talk) 07:00, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's right. Referenced web site( about richest people) is not a reliable source.--Kafkasmurat (talk) 10:47, 6 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Nationality" has more than one meaning, and from a good Leninist perspective, "Kurd" is indeed a nationality, just as "Turk" is a nationality even for people who are not citizens of a Turkish state (Syrian Turks, German Turks, etc.) However, you are right that "nationality" is usually meant in the sense of "citizenship", and the use of "Kurdistan" rather than "Kurdish" is also troubling and inconsistent. In general this piece has too many references to Kurdish identity for a man who, as far as I know, has never mentioned his "Kurdish identity" at all in any context ever. In fact, in a speech where he was going on and on about his mother, he kept mentioning the Turkish language and Eastern Turkey. Also, he seems like a sleazy sexist capitalist, so Kurds should be glad to not be associated with him. I'm going through and deleting all unsourced references to Kurdish things, having already deleted a really ridiculous etymological thing about the word "çoban" (Kurdish: «şivan», so again, it seems he is advertising a Turkish, rather than Kurdish, identity, and before anyone brings up Zaza, it's «şiwane» in Zaza). The etymology of this word is very interesting, but it has nothing to do with the man's (unsourced and therefore possibly non-existent) Kurdish identity. It certainly has nothing to do with the yogurt.

Please, Kurdish nationalists, is this man really going to be the source of your national pride? It is really so foolish. There are NO citations to him referencing his Kurdish identity that I can find, and the ones provided never mention the words "Kurd" or "Kurdish" or "Kurdistan" at all. Even worse, it was even claimed that "chobani" comes from the Kurdish (!) word for "shepherd". Do you even know Kurdish? Bi Kurdi em «şivan» dibêjin, «çoban» Tirkî ye. Tirkan ev peyv stand, ji zimanekî Êranî, lê ji Kurdî nayê. Ev mêr hişsivik û seksîst e, çima em ji wî ḧez bikin? Kapîtalîstekî qirêj e, lawo!

Notice how even when they subject is language he lists only Turkish and English: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHYABnK4Oho

There are many reliable sources pointing to his Kurdish ethnic background, I have provided one from Newsweek which mentions his Kurdish background in the first line (see below). This has nothing to do with nationalism. Now whether (as you claim) he is a dirty capitalist or not is irrelevant to the article. The only criteria for his inclusion in wikipedia is notability.

Hevalê hêja, tu kes ji we nexwestiye ku ji wî kesê hez bikin. Em li vir dixebitin ku ensaykilopedyayek çê bikin. Li gora çavkaniyên cuda cuda wesa diyare ku birêz Ulukaya kesayetiyekî navdare (notable) û kurde, ji ber vê yekê gotarek li ser wî hatiye nivîsandin, lê em behsa başî an qirêj ya wî nakin. Ev mijar tu pêwendiyek bi neteweperestiyê niye. Hûn dibêjin ku ew kurd niye, lê ji kerema xwe ev gotar ji Newsweek bixwîne ku kurdbûna wî piştrast dike:

Gross, Daniel (12 June 2013). "It's All Greek to Him: Chobani's Unlikely Success Story". Newsweek. (Turkish Kurd comes to the U.S. with $3,000 in his pocket...).

Niha li ser peyva çoban emê biseknin. Ev peyv ji çûpana farisî dêt [1]. Şeban peyveka dî ya farisî bi heman wateyê ye. Niha bi kurdî ev peyv dibe Şivan. Ew sê peyv hemî ji yek rehik û rîşe ne. Vekoler (talk) 22:03, 29 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hamdi Ulukaya may (or may not) have Kurdish ethnicity. He considers himself a Turkish American. Those of you who can read Turkish please read the newspaper interview that I am linking here. Some sentences for the non-Turkish speakers: 1. "The Greeks here (in USA) get angry that a Turk makes better yoghurt." 2. (Referring to colleagues) "Other Turkish businessmen here." 3. (Asked about employing Turks in his business) "I will not hire you only because you're Turkish." Source: ( http://www.kigem.com/cope-attigi-firsat-hayatini-degistirdi.html ) Thank you. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 07:22, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kurdish ethnicity means that Hamdi Ulukaya is a Kurdish. Stop spamming his page with your ultranationalism-kemalism thoughts.

If you look at other people Wikipedia pages, you will find, American, German, Russian not because of they have the nationality of countries because of their ethnicity. Gr, Feridun Akpinar, wishes a lot of "Pure-thinking". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.50.111.125 (talk) 13:15, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I added your reply correctly. Look: First of all my or your opinion about nationality is not important for Wikipedia. Wikipedia functions per its own rules. Read WP:OPENPARA carefully and you will see that we do make a difference between nationality and ethnicity and avoid putting the latter in article leads. On the other hand WP is an encyclopedia based on reliable sources. Have a look at the article's sources please. There you will see information about his origins. Also see up in this discussion Mr.Ulukaya's own words about his nationality. I must remind you that if you continue to revert without reason or consensus you may be sanctioned. Thanks. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 14:55, 12 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Note to 86.50.111.125 and alternate account 86.50.111.163: You have now received warnings on your Talk page about edit-warring. If you continue to edit war you will be blocked from editing. Wikipedia policies have been explained to you, and Ulukaya's ethnicity is prominently mentioned twice in the article -- once in the intro and once in the first sentence of the body text. This is in accordance with Wikipedia policy. Please desist from your edit wars so that further action against you is not necessary. Thank you. Softlavender (talk) 00:35, 13 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• I think they decided to open a joint account, an SPA. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 21:01, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There's a growing consensus against including Turkish citizens of non-Turkish origin in articles like Turkish-Americans. If the definition of being Turkish is merely due to the fact that they just so happened to be citizens of Turkey, then why not add Armenians, Kurds, Assyrians to the Turkish people page? Isn't Abdullah Ocalan a Turkish citizen too? He's definitely more talked about than most of those Turks on the Turkish people infobox anyways. Étienne Dolet (talk) 07:15, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Etienne. Place of birth and citizenship are facts, not matters of opinion or consensus. Ulukaya is a Turkish native and Turkish citizen who now has American citizenship. These are incontrovertible, easily verifiable facts. Thank you. Softlavender (talk) 07:52, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I do not deny where Hamdi Ulukaya was born, nor do I deny his citizenship. But placing this man under a category of Turkish-American without an ounce of Turkish blood in him is just plain wrong. He's been placed in the infobox of the Turkish-American article just because he has Turkish citizenship. And whether Turkish citizenship merits the qualification of being Turkish is completely WP:OR. For one, this definition has not reached a definitive consensus. Therefore, I think a broader consensus involving the Wiki community is necessary. As of now, not only is the current definition WP:OR, but it also fails to align itself with the definition of what being Turkish means in the Turkish people article. Ultimately, the Turkish people article is the consensus. Anything outside of that is just plain WP:OR. As for my opinion, citizenship is far different than race. This means removing anyone from the infobox whose background is not Turkish (i.e. Daron Acemoglu, Hamdi Ulukaya). What's next? Should we add Gerard Depardieu to Russians in France page too? If citizenship means race, then we should add Abdullah Ocalan to the Turkish people infobox as well. Étienne Dolet (talk) 17:51, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To repeat, place of birth and citizenship are facts, not WP:OR or matters of opinion or consensus. Ulukaya is a Turkish native and Turkish citizen who now has American citizenship. These are incontrovertible, easily verifiable facts. You are speaking of ethnicity, which is another matter. Softlavender (talk) 19:39, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I am not denying his nationality or his place of birth. My question is simple: how can an ethnic Kurd be added to the Turkish-American infobox? Is it on the basis of his citizenship? If so, why not add Abdullah Ocalan to the Turkish people infobox there as well? Étienne Dolet (talk) 19:43, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes on Ulukaya in the Turkish American infobox. He is a Turkish American: a Turkish native and Turkish citizen who now has American citizenship. This Talk page is not the venue to discuss other articles. Also, when you post on Talk pages in the future, please make sure you properly indent your posts so that they nest properly indented under the post you are replying to -- you need to use one more colon than the post you are replying to. I have been fixing that in your posts on this page; please note that and follow the procedure yourself in the future. Thanks. Softlavender (talk) 20:02, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm adding a hidden note to not change the lede's nationality because users keep editing and changing everything. Regardless of your opinions, he's "Turkish", nationality wise. "Kurdistan", is not a country, though "Kurdish" is an ethnicity. Per MOS:ETHNICITY and MOS:BIOLEAD, his ethnicity doesn't go in the lede. His article covers his background and such extensively. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 02:48, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Going by the logic of some people here, Abdullah Öcalan should be Turkish, and Saladin Arabic. All sources claim he's Kurdish, and so does Ulukaya himself. Sad attempt by Turkish nationalists here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff350 (talk • contribs) 11:03, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jeff350. Place of birth and citizenship are facts, not matters of opinion or consensus. Ulukaya is a Turkish native and Turkish citizen who now has American citizenship. These are incontrovertible, easily verifiable facts. Thank you. Also, please remember to sign your talk page posts by typing four tildes: ~~~~ Thank you. Softlavender (talk) 11:07, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

When asked what if his nationality is Kurdish, Hamdi Ulukaya responded YES. This was four days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O0B1ljy0KA Stop vandalizing the page, thank you. Jeff350 (talk) 11:18, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, he was asked, "You are ethnically a Kurd, born in Turkey, is that right?" Kurdish is his ethnicity, Turkish is his citizenship/nationality. The current Wikipedia opening sentence correctly states his nationality, and mentions his ethnicity in the paragraph below that and in the first sentence of the body text of the article. These are Wikipedia policies, and this article must abide by them. Please also remember to indent your talk page posts using colons, so that the conversation nests properly. Thank you. Softlavender (talk) 19:27, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's ridicilous. Atleast change it to a 'Turkish citizen with a Kurdish ethnicity' or something along those lines. Better yet; add a 'Ethnicity' section in the infobox. I really don't know why you're so obsessed with calling him Turkish when he himself says he's Kurdish. I've yet to see a Wiki page on a famous person listed with his citizenship as nationality. Jeff350 (talk) 20:27, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You are mistaken, Jeff. He has always called himself Turkish. Also check the Google results: "hamdi ulukaya" "turkish" gets 17,900 results; "hamdi ulukaya" "kurdish" gets 3,290 results. In any case, Wikipedia policy dictates that the opening paragraph list nationality, not ethnicity. It states that "Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability." In this case, since his notability is for his entrepreneurial success as the creator of and CEO of Chobani Greek Yogurt, his ethnicity does not have bearing on that. His ethnicity is mentioned prominently twice at the very beginning of the article, and that is sufficient and complies with Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Softlavender (talk) 20:47, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If that's the case, then I propose adding Abdullah Ocalan to the Turkish people infobox. After all, he is a Turkish citizen right? Étienne Dolet (talk) 18:42, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Discuss it there please. (I imagine people will not compare a convicted terrorist with a successful businessman or professor who only rise the flag of Turkish Americans higher, just like Janet Akyüz. Try adding Gurgen Yanikyan to Armenian Americans.)--Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 19:54, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

But this isn't about his occupation, it's about his notability. There's dozens or so more Kurds and Armenians that can be added to that infobox on the basis of mere citizenship. Why not add them? Étienne Dolet (talk) 20:02, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm adding a hidden note to not change the lede's nationality because users keep editing and changing everything. Regardless of your opinions, he's "Turkish" nationality wise. "Kurdistan" is not an official country, though "Kurdish" is an ethnicity. Per MOS:ETHNICITY and MOS:BIOLEAD, his ethnicity doesn't go in the lede. His article covers his background and such extensively. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 02:58, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Turkey can be added to the birth date like "Hamdi Ulukaya (born 26 October 1972, Iliç, Turkey) is a Kurdish..." His Kurdishness is sure notable and worth to include in the lead as he states that he left Turkey due to the oppression of the Kurds. Then his Kurdish nationality can also be added to the infobox. If there is a citizenship source, this can be added as well.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:46, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Paradise Chronicle: - I don't think adding "Kurdish" to his nationality would make that much sense. Though it seems like any Wikipedia page about someone of Kurdiah background is always subject to editing wars over what the lede should say. Several sources on his article have described as being "Turkish-born" or a Turkish citizen. I've even added three sources to the lede which explicitly describe him as being "Turkish" in the title. According to user "Softlavender" above, he has apparently been described/mentioned as being "Turkish" more often then not. Perhaps it would be best for the lede to say: "Hamdi Ulukaya is a Turkish activist, billionaire, and philanthropist of Kurdish background whose based in the United States." As WP:ETHNICITY states, ethnicity can be put in the lede if it's relevant to the subject, and in this case it is. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 06:24, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is a reason that there is a Nationality and a Citizenship field in the infobox. Catalans, Palestinians, Armenians, Kurds or Scots to not identify as Spanish, Israeli, Turkish or British nationality but prefer to be called as Catalans, etc. I reply for now, to finally avoid an edit conflict.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:30, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Then what is notable is up to the subject described, if Ulukaya praises his Turkish citizenship then his citizenship should of course be mentioned in the lead, but this he doesn't, in probably every article it is stated he left Turkey because Kurdish rights were oppressed in Turkey. We will not mention Kemal Kilicdaroglus Kurdish origins in the lead, as he identifies as a Turk, but to call an Öcalan, a Yilmaz Güney (who's Turkish citizenship was stripped), or a Hamdi Ulukaya etc. as a Turkish billionaire, revolutionary or actor is just not correct as they are notable for their Kurdishness and specifically opposing the Turkishness.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 07:39, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Paradise Chronicle: - I don't see any sources where he states, without any ambiguity that he identifies as being "Kurdish" nationality wise. Seems like when he calls himself "Kurdish", this is a reference to his ethnic background. If you want his own words, he flat out calls himself a "Turkish businessman" in this article: [2]: "I had the happiest day of my life to be here as a Turkish businessman." And here, he said "yes" when asked if he's of Kurdish ethnicity and born in Turkey in this video. He has called himself a "Kurd from Turkey" before, but that seems to mean that he's of Kurdish background/origin and from Turkey. Similar to how an American might call themselves an "Irish person from New York", or something to that effect. If that makes sense.

As for what people describe him as, here's sources describing him as being "Turkish", a "Turkish immigrant", "Turkish of Kurdish ethnicity" or something to that effect: [3]"Hamdi Ulukaya, a Turkish-American businessman of Kurdish ethnicity", [4], [5][6]. And here's sources that say he's "Kurdish" or "Turkish-Kurish" [7][8].

So with all those sources and the fact that he's been stated being a Turkish citizen with no reliable source I've found or seen provided stating that he's renounced anything or that's he's been stripped of his citizenship, then following MOS:ETHNICITY and MOS:BIOLEAD, his lede should say "Turkish" and can mention his ethnic background, as this is important to him/his notability (and it is mentioned multiple times), but putting "Kurdish" as his nationality doesn't seem right when he's never flat out denied that he's from Turkey/Turkish, just that his ethnic background is Kurdish. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 23:14, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

We have a strained yoghurt article. Is the name correct? --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 20:05, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You may take that up on that article's Talk page. Softlavender (talk) 20:07, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As for this article, Chobani Greek Yogurt yields close to 250,000 results on Google. Chobani strained yogurt yields only 160. That's mean that the word "Greek" should remain on the basis of WP:COMMONNAME. Étienne Dolet (talk) 20:09, 16 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Per Template:Infobox person, I'm restoring the infobox nationality section to normality. The infobox is not a space for links to nationality laws of countries. If anyone has a question about that, please take your questions to Template talk:Infobox person. Thank you! Softlavender (talk) 02:50, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

From Template:Infobox person, under section nationality: "Nationality. May be used instead of citizenship (below) or vice versa in cases where any confusion could result. Should only be used with citizenship when they somehow differ. Do not use a flag template."

Therefore, it is correct to put nationality = Turkish and American instead of Turkish American. I am restoring in accordance with theTemplate:Infobox person. MaronitePride (talk) 17:50, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No, his nationality is Turkish American. To repeat, the infobox is not a space for links to nationality laws of countries. If you have a question about that, please take your questions to Template talk:Infobox person. Thank you. Softlavender (talk) 21:05, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To repeat, Turkish American does not specify if he is both Turkish and American citizen/national or American citizen/national with Turkish descent/birth certificate but not Turkish citizenship/nationality. And from the Template:Infobox person - "Nationality. May be used instead of citizenship (below) or vice versa in cases where any confusion could result. " MaronitePride (talk) 21:15, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The "nationality" parameter in the infobox is not a space for links to the nationality laws of countries. Ulukaya's correctly stated and self-identified nationality is Turkish American, as he is a Turk who moved to the U.S. 20 years ago and never returned to Turkey; he has lived in the U.S. for the latter half of his life. If you want to include the links to the nationality laws of countries in the infobox, they should go in the citizenship parameter. His citizenship is strictly Turkish; he has not obtained U.S. citizenship, and has stated that in interviews. I realize you are new on Wikipedia and may be unfamiliar with infobox practices. That is why I suggest you verify this by inquiring on the Talk page of Infobox person. They will be happy to answer any questions that you have. Softlavender (talk) 21:51, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks that you read carefully my previous post and realized that I am new here, but regardless of that you went to report me even though we were in the middle of our talk.

By the way, I still have issues with the exact definition to include people within articles of the type Turkish American. 1) both Turkish and American citizen/national; 2) American citizen/national with Turkish descent/birth certificate but not Turkish citizenship/nationality; or 3) Turkish citizen/national with Turkish birth certificate but not American citizenship/nationality.

My question is: Since as you suggested Hamdi Ulukaya stated "His citizenship is strictly Turkish]; he has not obtained U.S. citizenship". Is it correct to include people from the abovementioned point 3 within articles of the type Turkish American? MaronitePride (talk) 22:54, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi MaronitePride, please remember to indent all paragraphs of your Talk page posts with colons to correctly nest your post under the post you are replying to (use Preview to make sure you have done so before you click Save); I have done that for your post above. To answer your questions: Yes, Hamdi identifies as an American, and more specifically a Turkish American. He is an American resident and has been so nearly all of his adult life and he has no intention of moving back to Turkey (or apparently even visiting). Softlavender (talk) 23:30, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the help with the paragraphs. Sorry for bothering you again but I have one more question. What about illegal migrants, like Mexicans, they are also American residents and also have no intention of moving back to Mexico (or even visiting, since crossing the border is a problem). Therefore, is it correct to be included within Mexican Americans, even though they do not have legal status? Thanks in advance. MaronitePride (talk) 00:33, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You would have to raise your question and establish consensus on those Talk pages. If you are unfamiliar with Wikipedia standard practices in whatever concern, it's best not to be altering existing links/parameters, etc. You can always raise a question on an article's Talk page or a Template's talk page, but be sure to get consensus first before making any alterations -- do not mistake lack of reply for consensus or agreement. I hope that makes sense. Softlavender (talk) 00:43, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple articles on his page have described him as being "Turkish" and he has only Turkish citizenship. The article mentions his ethnic background many times. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 07:19, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aotchi and Qozeqer, please stop changing the correct nationalities listed in this article and infobox. Ulukaya was born and raised in Turkey, and he immigrated to America. This makes him a Turkish American; he was and is a Turkish national who moved to the U.S. His ethnicity is Kurdish, and that is listed in the infobox, the intro, and in the body text of the article. Softlavender (talk) 02:10, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please change 'Turkish American' to 'Kurdish American' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_American) Some references for this: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2413095/Meet-Steve-Jobs-yoghurt-How-Kurdish-immigrant-billionaire-selling-Greek-yoghurt-Americans.html http://www.timesunion.com/business/article/Yogurt-king-aids-ISIS-victims-5812706.php http://www.kurdslist.org/community_news/147-chobani-founder-hamdi-ulukaya-kurdish-businessman-donates-2-million-for-2-million-in-humanitarian-aid-to-the-irc-the-unhcr-and-other 217.151.144.214 (talk) 15:20, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done. His nationality is Turkish-American. His ethnicity is Kurdish. Both are noted several times in the article. This has been discussed endlessly in the various threads above. Softlavender (talk) 23:58, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Then look here Turkish American: 'Turkish Americans are Americans with Turkish ancestry.' Regarding this article it doesn't make him to an Turkish American, he hasn't Turkish ancestry, no way! He was born in Turkey, yes! Had Turkish nationality, yes. But no Turkish ancestry, this is not correct and is desinformation. He is Kurdish American as described^[1]. So what problems do you have with this edit? 'Turkish American' is not a nationality. You are Turkish or American, not Turkish American, there are no passports marked 'Turkish American'. Your arguments make no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.151.144.214 (talk) 11:09, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. The previous discussions clearly indicate a disagreement on this point. Edit requests can only be completed for non-controversial edits to the article. See WP:ERQ. --ElHef (Meep?) 12:59, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0yk80ADG8U Ferakp (talk)

From http://www.forbes.com/profile/hamdi-ulukaya/ and http://www.newsweek.com/2013/06/12/its-all-greek-him-chobanis-unlikely-success-story-237526.html it does not look like he holds American citizenship (the Newsweek article states he still has a green card, Forbes lists only Turkey as his nationality).

Based on this, I am changing the nationality to only Turkish. He might have referred to himself as Turkish American before (in an article dated even earlier) but that does not make him so - officially he seems to be only Turkish. Ezikleyicic (talk) 16:07, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To add to this you can view http://business.financialpost.com/entrepreneur/new-world-entrepreneur-has-a-beef-with-canada - he said he has a green card and does not have American citizenship. Ezikleyicic (talk) 16:10, 1 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'd welcome it if someone could help to create a German language version of this at de:Hamdi Ulukaya -- Cheers! :) Horst-schlaemma (talk) 14:23, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As already stated above, Ulukaya does not have US citizenship. This is turning into an editing war. Please stop changing his wiki page, when there is no evidence that Ulukaya is an American citizen. He has Turkish citizenship, and that is all.185.17.159.213 (talk) 07:27, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In the past 24 hours a few editors changed Ulukaya's infobox at least three times to state that he has Turkish citizenship and no other citizenship, including US citizenship (which he definitely does not have!) Yes there is someone's blog that says he is a naturalized citizen, but that is wrong information. Let us please rely on Forbes, ^[1] which is updated everyday! whereever Pappas got his information from, he is wrong. Ulukaya is really and truly NOT a US citizen. Stop messing with this!

Ulukaya is NOT an American citizen. Read the first paragraph of the wiki. The only evidence that he is an American is an unreliable blog post. The infobox must match the article's content, therefore, although Ulukaya lives in the USA, his citizenship is Turkish, and he is definitely not defined by any criteria as an American. Living in America does not make someone American. You need the citizenship papers, a passport, or some other document which Ulukaya does not have.46.8.37.228 (talk) 10:31, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This has already been discussed long and hard. The vast majority of good sources say that Ulukaya was born in Turkey (nationality) but is a Kurd (ethnicity.) My personal favorite best proof of this is the YouTube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0yk80ADG8U in which during the first two seconds the interviewer asks Ulukaya, "You are ethinically a Kurd, born in Turkey?" and Ulukaya says.... YES!!!!! Please stop changing this tiny piece of information. This is the fact. He is a Kurdish man (ethnicity) from Turkey (nationality.) Are we done?? 212.166.90.84 (talk) 08:44, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be a lof of dicussion about Hamdi Ulukaya's ethnic background and identity. During this CNN Money interview he says that he has a Kurdish background. He explains that the reason he left Turkey was due to the Turkish state's persecution of Kurds and due to the fact that he was very serious about Kurdish rights. He furthermore says that this is why he is spending so much money and energy on helping refugees, the reason he feels that he understands their situation.

Link to Interview: http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/30/news/chobani-response-travel-ban/ 2607:FEA8:1D5F:FB98:883F:D268:353E:FEB2 (talk) 06:51, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi N0n3up, you edits doesn't make sense. First, you mentioned him as a "Turkish Kurdish", then you changed it to "Turkish-born..." and now you added "Kurdish descent". People are called what they are. He clearly mentions in both CNN and NW interviews that he is a Kurd. I looked Wikipedia rules and I can't see any section which demands "nationality", not ethnicity. In almost all articles, Kurdish public figures are called as Kurds, see Mustafa Barzani, Sebahat Tuncel, Serwan Muhammad J. Baban and hundreds of others. If there was such rule or even standard, all these articles would have been wrong. Hamdi Ulukaya is a Kurd as he mentions and it's mentioned below he is born in Turkey so I don't see any point in your edit, they aren't improving the article at all. Ferakp (talk) 19:38, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ferakp I apologize for the inconvenience. I'm not denying he is a Kurd, I'm saying that he was born in Turkey and see him as exiled from his own country. At first I put "Turkish" but later on put "Turkish-born" because that's how the first five sources addressed him and because he was born in Turkey. I read that he left because of the country's persecution of Kurds in the country and I do believe he should be addressed as Kurdish, though my intention was to state that he was born in the republic of Turkey, and in most Wikipedia autobiographies it's common to put the country of birth in the lead. (N0n3up (talk) 02:15, 19 July 2017 (UTC))[reply]

He is still a Kurd and I don't see there is need to mention "Turkish-born" or Turkish Kurds, as it's clearly mentioned in the article he has born in Turkey. He however consider himself as a Kurd and as I mentioned above, there are hundreds of similar articles supporting my changes. Ferakp (talk) 09:50, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I've seen if you just look at the first six sources listed they mention him as Turkish-born. Keep in mind that if it's mentioned in the infobox, we also have to put it in the lead, because unlike most other middle eastern countries, someone can be Turkish ethnically or nationally, and even if he's an exile, he was born there because it better shows his current situation as an exile from his own country. Yes, he is Kurdish, no one is denying that, but he was originally born as a Turkish national who now resides in the US. (N0n3up (talk) 01:45, 29 July 2017 (UTC))[reply]

Read and watch carefully his interview. [9] Ferakp (talk) 13:14, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In these articles and more describes him as being Turkish or Turkish-born (I would go with the latter) [10][11][12]. Yes, the interview does show that he abandoned Turkey and doesn't agree with Turkey's actions against Kurds but it still doesn't change the fact he was born in Turkey, let alone it would be like saying that Chuck Norris is a Cherokee rather than American... Yes he is, but was born in the US thus American or American-born, Even with greater reason with Kurds since most of them are in Turkey, followed by Iraq, Syria, Iran and so on. Another example is Enes Kanter, exiled from Turkey and losing his Turkish identity and family to petty politics,he is still considered Turkish because "Turkish" is more of a national origin. Stating that his birthplace is in the infobox is not a good reason, there are many implications behind this topic that needs to get a better look, Turkish-born Kurd in my opinion seems more fitting if we were to mention is Kurdish background in the lead. (N0n3up (talk) 02:29, 2 August 2017 (UTC))[reply]

There are articles where he is mentioned as a Turk and articles where he is mentioned as a Kurd. CNN and other articles not only mention him as a Kurd but he also says it himself so stop wasting your time. Ferakp (talk) 00:13, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

He might have said that he is a Kurd, but he didn't exactly say he wasn't a Turkish national now did he? Again, "Turkish" is the "nationality" and "Kurdish" is his "ethnicity", how is this so hard to understand. I even mentioned his ethnicity on the lead to satisfy all sides, and I believe that ethnicities should be mentioned on the article rather than lead. I understand your motivation and views but he was born inside Turkey, thus a Turkish national and many sources claim that, let alone that I brought sources yet you still haven't presented any yet. (N0n3up (talk) 05:03, 3 November 2017 (UTC))[reply]

I know the country/region is a hot debate, but as it stands, multiple sources have described him as being "Turkish", and he has Turkish citizenship. His ethnicity is mentioned many times in the lede and article. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 07:21, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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EDIT: Sources/interviews vary greatly on how Ulukaya's nationality/ethnicity/birthplace/etc is mentioned, and they're ultimately not reliable on how to describe him. But, what is known is that Ulukaya's from Turkey and has Turkish citizenship and his ethnic background is mentioned throughout the page. Following the guidelines of MOS:CONTEXTBIO, then the lede should say "Turkish" and can (and does) mention his ethnicity. If anyone has any further arguments, then please reply to this discussion.

I'm tired of the constant editing changes. Ulukaya is Turkish by citizenship/nationality. He's of Kurdish ethnicity, and that is mentioned many times throughout the article. If you want his own words, he flat out calls himself a "Turkish businessman" in this article, cited on his page: [13]: "I had the happiest day of my life to be here as a Turkish businessman." And here, he said "yes" when asked if he's of Kurdish ethnicity and born in Turkey in this video. He has called himself a "Kurd from Turkey" before, but that seems to mean that he's of Kurdish background/origin and from Turkey. Similar to how an American might call themselves an "Irish person from New York", or something to that effect. If that makes sense.

As for what people describe him as, here's sources describing him as being "Turkish", a "Turkish immigrant", "Turkish of Kurdish ethnicity" or something to that effect: [14]"Hamdi Ulukaya, a Turkish-American businessman of Kurdish ethnicity", [15], [16][17]. And here's sources that say he's "Kurdish" or "Turkish-Kurish" [18][19].

So with all those sources and the fact that he's been stated being a Turkish citizen with no reliable source I've found or seen provided stating that he's renounced anything or that's he's been stripped of his citizenship, then following MOS:ETHNICITY and MOS:BIOLEAD, his lede should say "Turkish" and can mention his ethnic background, as this is important to him/his notability (and it is mentioned multiple times), but putting "Kurdish" as his nationality isn't correct when he's never flat out denied that he's from Turkey/Turkish, just that his ethnic background is Kurdish. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 23:14, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, my nationality is "American". My ethnicity is "German-po' white (Southron) trash". --Deepfriedokra (talk) 10:37, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Deepfriedokra: - Now that the protection is off, there seems to be the same arguments about his lede. I'm not really sure what to do now? Another IP user just changed it to say "Kurdish", citing his comments in a "CNN" interview. I'm not sure what CNN interview they're referring to, but descriptions of him are all over the place. This one simply says he's from Turkey. Another CNN interview describes him as being "Kurdish-born", though to my knowledge, I don't believe the area of Turkey that Ulukaya is from, İliç, is considered part of "Kurdistan". And in a 2017 CNN interview, he has been described as being a "Kurd from Turkey", but this seems to mean that he's from Turkey and of Kurdish ethnicity. So, along with the articles I've provided above, sources themselves seem to be conflicted on how to describe Ulukaya. But, what we do know is that he's from Turkey and has Turkish citizenship and his article mentions his ethnic background many times. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 04:17, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My point is that he says he is a Kurd in his CNN interview.^[1] It would be literally weird to call someone a Turk based on "newspaper article" even though he calls himself a Kurd with his own words. You could take a look at the articles of Masoud Barzani and Scottish businessmen and politicians, they are called Kurds and Scottish, not Iraqis and British. Thanks for inviting me to the talk page. 80.221.157.218 (talk) 20:06, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As to me, what he wants to be (a Kurd) is what should be valued more than what he is trying not to be (a Turk). As to me, to describe a Kurd who says he is opposed to the oppression to the Kurds in Turkey as a "Turkish" business man is not the solution. He is a Kurdish-American businessman who was born as a Kurd in Turkey. That he was born in Turkey is already mentioned in the date of birth. The citizenship is mentioned in the infobox. That Turkey doesn't accept other nationalities within its legal framework, doesn't mean there don't exist people being part of the Kurdish nation.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:15, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Quote from WP:ETHNICITY"The opening paragraph should usually provide context for the activities that made the person notable." second quote "In most modern-day cases, this will be the country of which the person is a citizen, national, or permanent resident; or, if the person is notable mainly for past events, the country where the person was a citizen, national, or permanent resident when the person became notable." Turkey is mentioned straight at the beginning of the opening paragraph, which is normal and notable. Then he is notable for being a Kurd and for being a (successful) Businessman in America. As to me it would be fair to phrase the lead like" Hamdi Ulukaya (born..., Iliç, Turkey) is a Kurdish-American businessman" etc. His citizenship is already mentioned in the Infobox.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:43, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. What do you think of this, Clear_Looking_Glass? 80.221.157.218 (talk) 01:02, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Paradise Chronicle: - Let's not ignore the fact that the media and Ulukaya himself have all been very inconsistent, so what one source says shouldn't be taken as an "end all be all". In a past interview, he has called himself a "Turkish businessman" and multiple articles have described him as being "Turkish" or "Turkish-born" and so on, although he's also been described as only being "Kurdish" or "Kurdish-born". Also, please read MOS:ETHNICITY again, it states: In most modern-day cases, this will be the country of which the person is a citizen, national, or permanent resident, and "Ethnicity ... should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability". He only has Turkish citizenship, not American, unless otherwise stated. But he's based in the United States, hence why the lede says he's a "Turkish businessman, activist, and philanthropist based in the United States". Him being "Kurdish" is his ethnicity, which the article mentions many times, including the second paragraph of Ulukaya's lede: "Born to a dairy-farming Kurdish family". See WP:Neutral point of view: "representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." As I said, the media and Ulukaya himself have all been inconsistent on how to describe his nationality/background/etc. So they're not that reliable for this information. But the facts that we have is that he's a Turkish citizen, he's from Turkey, he's of Kurdish ethnic background, and the country where he's currently based is the United States. The current wording of the lede paragraphs have laid out this information very clearly. I don't know why this is such an issue beyond personal ethno/nationalistic feelings, which should be left out when editing his article. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 01:46, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is he more notable for being Turkish or because he opposes being Turkish? For what is he known? What to you think of when writing about him. What do the articles emphasize on? That he is Turkish is usually treated in one phrase (if at all), but his support of the Kurdish culture treated in several phrases. Nationality and citizenship are two different things and for this there also exist 2 different fields in the info-box. He is based in America, his business is based in America he supports Kurds. He is a Kurdish-American businessman born in Turkey. Born in Turkey is mentioned already in the first few letters. What's the issue? You could also read WP:NPOV.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:50, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Articles and the media vary greatly. He is just as known/described as being "Turkish" or a "Turkish-born" businessman, etc as he is known for being ethnically Kurdish. I know that citizenship and nationality are different things, but I don't see what's the issue with his lede since it already lists his citizenship, ethnic background and the fact that he's based in the United States. Maybe his lede sentence could say that he's a "Turkish [insert occupations here] of Kurdish ethnicity based in the United States? Clear Looking Glass (talk) 06:32, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Preferring the Kurdish project to the Wall Street Journal as a source is not really Wikipedia. An other one will correct it though, I guess.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 23:55, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Preferring Daily Sabah and Hürryet over multiple available and suggested better sources is also not very Wikipedia.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 00:43, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See: https://twitter.com/hamdiulukaya/status/995718070927753219?lang=en Gewerî (talk) 12:46, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Gewerî: - It's not uncommon for people to refer to themselves by their ethnicity instead of their nationality. Many Americans will call themselves "German" or "Irish", but as far as citizenship goes, they're usually just Americans. You need to read the section/sources above. He's also referred to himself as a "Turkish businessman". Here's the source and a quote: [20] "I had the happiest day of my life to be here as a Turkish businessman". He's also said that he's from Turkey but of Kurdish ethnicity. It's not enough to only rely on what he or the media say about his nationality because they're not consistent. Quite a few articles say he's Turkish or Turkish-born, or Turkish-American, but others say he's Kurdish or Kurdish-American, etc. Please see MOS:CONTEXTBIO: "this will be the country of which the person is a citizen, national, or permanent resident" and "Ethnicity should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability". The lede is perfectly fine the way it is. As far as the sources go, we know he's a Turkish citizen whose based in the United States and of Kurdish ethnicity. The lede says all this and Ulukaya's ethnicity is mentioned MANY, MANY times throughout the article. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 03:22, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Geweri did not only provide a tweet for his argument, but 4 sources of which all were better than the staunch Pro-Erdoganist (someone who explicitly defends that he can exit the Istanbul Convention without the consent of the Turkish Parliament, this is no consensus, but the rule of one over a large majority) Daily Sabah which you brought here to the talk page as well as into the article. The Turkish pro-Gov. Hürryet is also no RS regarding Kurds. Here are some other sources from Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Forbes which can be used in the future. And we should also take into account for what he is known. He is not known for his Turkishness, but much more for his activism for Kurds which is mentioned in many articles about him. That he was born in Turkey is already clear from the first few words of the article.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 05:02, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The article reads like a puff piece, with a lot of PR-speak. I've tried to trim it down a little but I'm not familiar enough with the subject to do much, especially in the awards section which needs someone with a good idea of which of those are the most notable. Rusalkii (talk) 18:15, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. In order to update Hamdi Ulukaya's BLP, please add the following sentence to the end of the "Influence and adviserships" section:

In late July 2022, United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres appointed Ulukaya to be a Sustainable Development Goals Advocate, whose role is to raise global awareness and action concerning sustainable development.^[1][2]

Thanks so much. Stephanie at Chobani (talk) 13:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have added it, but not to the influence and adviserships section but to the lead. The UN seemed a bit too prominent for me. Anyone can place where they see it fit though, if they want.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 15:43, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Stephanie at Chobani Closing this request implemented by @Paradise Chronicle <---THANKS! Duke Gilmore (talk) 03:13, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I updated the Infobox to reflect the fact that Hamdi Ulukaya now has three children. I added a reliable source supporting this, and removed the outdated sources. The Personal life section already says he has three children, so now the Infobox is aligned with the information in the article. I believe an edit like this can be made directly even by someone with a COI, but if I have overstepped my bounds, please let me know. Stephanie at Chobani (talk) 15:59, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Change "Hamdi Ulukaya (born 26 October 1972) is a Turkish billionaire businessman, activist, philanthropist of Kurdish ethnicity and based in the United States." to "Hamdi Ulukaya (born 26 October 1972) is a Kurdish ^[1] billionaire businessman, activist and philanthropist based in the United States.". My reasoning behind this is that despite Ulukaya being born in Türkiye, that does not make him a Turk. His ethnicity is Kurdish and he himself openly identifies as Kurdish. It may be misleading to call him a Turk on the first line of the article. Hope you guys take this into consideration! AstroCastro1 (talk) 21:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: per MOS:CONTEXTBIO, the ethnicity shouldn't be mentioned in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability (which isn't the case here). M.Bitton (talk) 23:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How he can be Turkish while he was born in a Kurdish family and if you go down a few lines it says he’s kurdish so delet the Turkish make it kurdish and none of the sources that states that he’s turkish works. Astyages16 (talk) 18:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. Per the multiple times this has been brought up the talk page before, consensus is to leave the nationality and ethnicity as it is now. cyberdog958^Talk 06:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]