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Grapesoda22, is there a guideline, manul of style, or RfC indicating that episode tables should not be sortable? I made it sortable because I figured some people might want to sort by the episode numbers in the series, which is broken down into types of episode (episode/plot, talk/discussion, and soundscape). However, I can see why it might not be worth the trouble given how few episodes there are. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:57, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TipsyElephant: The table needed to be updated to use the standard episode table template, which is used for lists of episodes from virtually all TV shows and podcasts. The ability to sort episodes is not supported this template. Grapesoda22 (talk) 23:55, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Grapesoda22: is there any benefit to using the template rather than a regular table? They look identical and a regular table can be customized. TipsyElephant (talk) 00:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TipsyElephant:The reason we use this template is because it synchronizes new changes and updates to all of the episode lists at the same time. This table may look the same now, but if there were stylistic changes made to the template in the future this page would become outdated. It saves us the hassle of constantly having to update every episode list manually, which was a headache for years. Adding short episode summaries, in your own words, to the list would help out a great deal. It helps me out when I want to look into specific episodes of shows.Grapesoda22 (talk) 04:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While reading through the available sources I noticed a distinct lack of any announcements regarding the exact date that this show debuted on. I also felt that many of the dates that were mentioned did not seem to match or line up as I would've expected. So, I decided to go through the sources and outline what I found.

According to the BBC Sounds episode list, the episodes were released daily from 5 March 2019 until 1 April 2019 (starting with Episode 0).^[1] However, the press release for the show was published 2 April 2019, the day after the show finished, which seems odd because you'd generally want to hype up the show before it releases not after.^[2] None of the available sources appear to be published prior to 2 April 2019.

Both the press release and the Radio Times indicate that the podcast boxset was released on 4 April 2019, however, they both use strange grammar: "BBC Radio 4’s Forest 404 will be available as a podcast box set on BBC Sounds from Thursday 4 April." Generally, I'd think the word "from" indicates a starting date and a span of time until a specified ending date. In this case, I think it's just poorly worded and simply means the boxset will be available on 4 April 2019.^[2][3]

The academic study began at the same time that the boxset was released. "Participation was open for seven months, from 4th April to 31st October 2019."^[4]

According to BBC Radio 4's episode list, the show was broadcast twice without the companion episodes (starting with Episode 1). The show was first broadcast on a weekly basis from 27 April 2020 until 29 June 2020. Later the show was broadcast on a daily basis from 21 February 2023 until 3 March 2023.^[5] The Open University confirms the earlier start date of 27 April 2020 and indicates that it's the second time the show has been broadcast, which is weird because I can't find mention of the show being broadcast prior to this date.^[6] The Financial Times article published on 7 April 2020 says the show is "Already an award-winning podcast, available on Sounds, it is set to be broadcast on BBC Radio 4 soon." Which implies that the show had not been broadcast previously and was only available via BBC Sounds until it was broadcast for the first time in Spring 2020.^[7]

Based on all this, I believe that the show was first released exclusively on BBC Sounds as a podcast between 5 March 2019 until 1 April 2019. The press release was then published to promote the boxset and the academic study, which were released on 4 April 2019. The show was later broadcast on BBC Radio 4 for the first time from 27 April 2020 until 29 June 2020. The show was then broadcast a second time on BBC Radio 4 from 21 February 2023 until 3 March 2023. TipsyElephant (talk) 02:52, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Part of the reason I wrote all this out on the talk page is because I'm unsure how much of this is clearly verifiable and I'm afraid adding some of this to the background section might be considered original research. I'm literally combining information from different sources and guessing, which seems a lot like WP:SYNTH. Some of the sources appear to conflict, which makes me wonder what that means regarding their reliability. The dates in the episode table are currently pulled from BBC Sounds episode details, but I suppose the dates don't necessarily warrant citations per WP:MINREF? If I added the different broadcast dates to the table would those require citations? TipsyElephant (talk) 01:53, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... I certainly listened to this, and remember it being trailed but I can't remember when and how. I think it was all as podcast form, I couldn't even say if it was sounds only. Rankersbo (talk) 13:06, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to determine the best radio broadcasting debut and ending categories to use and decided I'm more likely to get a response at the WikiProject. The discussion can be found here: WT:Radio#Debut_and_ending_dates. Rankersbo, I'd appreciate your input there as well if you have any thoughts on this. TipsyElephant (talk) 14:34, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've listed this article for peer review because I have some general questions about the article that I'd like input on.

1. In the synopsis, is the use of quotations for in-universe terminology appropriate? Should I be using the emphasis template instead? Or should I avoid in-universe terminology altogether and simply paraphrase?
2. In the third paragraph of the Production section I've paraphrased the Mississippi Valley Conservancy source saying "The all-female cast included LGBT people and people of color, which is uncommon in media related to climate change." Is this a fact or opinion, and is it appropriate to state it as a fact in Wikipedia's voice?
3. In the episode table, should I include the different broadcast dates in addition to the original podcast release dates? I find that citing sources in a table tends to get messy. Should I provide inline citations for the data in the table or can I get away with not citing sources per WP:MINREF? If I listen to each episode and provide a short summary do I need to cite the episode as a primary reference for each summary?
4. Does the prose of the reception section flow well? Is my paraphrasing okay or did I embellish or editorialize too much?
5. Is there a better word or phrase for the heading "Academic outcomes"?
6. Rather than adding inline citations after each sentence I've opted to simply cite the relevant sources at the end of each paragraph (with the exception of the reception section). Is this appropriate and does it adequately maintain WP:INTEGRITY?

Thanks, TipsyElephant (talk) 14:34, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]