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==Please stop==

As discussed on 16th August, please stop making the incorrect edits AWB suggests to pages such as [[Alleh]]. Yes, there is a bug in AWB whereby it suggests that you label a geographic dab page as a stub and orphan, but both these are wrong and all your edits are your responsibility. Do not make any edits, with or without AWB, unless you have checked that they are correct. [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 05:51, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

:I see you were also reminded of this on 12 October by {{ping|Jmertel23}}. If it continues I will consider suggesting that your AWB use be withdrawn. But see below. [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 07:52, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

::Please please stop making these incorrect edits - it's making extra work for other editors. Thank you! [[User:Jmertel23|Jmertel23]] ([[User talk:Jmertel23|talk]]) 23:50, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

::Five more incorrect edits just now. ANI next time. [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 17:54, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

:::[[User:PamD]], hold off on ANI for now. I'm running some tests on your contribs to see all of the ones you've reverted and seeing if we can finally get a solution down to skip the disambigs.-[[User:BigDwiki|BigDwiki]]^{[[User talk:BigDwiki| talk]]} 19:04, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

:::It changed [[Courtès]], but that page appears to be a disambig but doesn't have any disambiguation category or wording. -[[User:BigDwiki|BigDwiki]]^{[[User talk:BigDwiki| talk]]} 19:06, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

:::I believe I have a solution. The 5 pages you reverted were specifically in the AWB list and it skipped over those. -[[User:BigDwiki|BigDwiki]]^{[[User talk:BigDwiki| talk]]} 19:07, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

::::Well, it's been going on for a long time but OK will wait a while more. Am also trying to get some attention at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T212601 . [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 19:11, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

:::::Just read your post above: the newly-created [[Courtès]] is a surname page: should almost certainly be an orphan (so shouldn't be tagged as such), but isn't a dab page. [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 19:14, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

::::::Well, perhaps this is yet another discovered bug...adding orphan tag to surname pages.-[[User:BigDwiki|BigDwiki]]^{[[User talk:BigDwiki| talk]]} 19:16, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

== AWB up to date? ==

I was told many months ago that AWB's inability to recognise {{tl|geodis}} as a disambiguation page template (hence its habit of suggesting Stub and Orphan tags while also changing it to "Placename disambiguation page") had been fixed in a forthcoming update to AWB. But I now see that the latest version of AWB, 6.1.0.1, was released on 16 September 2019.

Are you using the current version?

If so, then this is still an ongoing problem with AWB and I will raise it at Phabricator again (though it is still your responsibility to check all your edits and avoid doing incorrect edits just because AWB suggests them - see rule 1 at [[WP:AWBRULES]]

If not, then please update AWB now, before using it again.

Thanks, [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 07:39, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

::Yes, I'm using the latest version. I just wrote a regex script that I've added to the skip settings that looks for "disambiguation" or "may refer to" or "refer to" as pages to skip when processing. Lets see if it works. They really need to update AWB. -[[User:BigDwiki|BigDwiki]]^{[[User talk:BigDwiki| talk]]} 21:47, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

:::Well, that didn't work. I added the "geodis" string to the regex script, lets see if that works. -[[User:BigDwiki|BigDwiki]]^{[[User talk:BigDwiki| talk]]} 22:15, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

:::Still a problem: see [[Oconto]]. Do you look at the edits AWB suggests? Remember AWB rule 1, please. [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 17:36, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

::::The problem is AWB doesn't show the entire page, it just shows the area that needs correction. There is no wait to know that it's a disambig without looking at the entire page. I added the "geodis" as a regex skip rule, and it appears to not be working. I don't know if there is any fix for this as there is no standard text on disambig pages that could be programmed to skip. For example, some pages say "may refer to", but this one says "There are a few places named Oconto in the United States". There's nothing standard to program a skip rule with. And looking at the AWB screen dowsn't show the entire screen so I didn't even see the "geodis" manually. Perhaps this needs to be raised with AWB as it's concerning and seemingly other users are having the same issue. -[[User:BigDwiki|BigDwiki]]^{[[User talk:BigDwiki| talk]]} 17:55, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

:::::No, it's you that has an issue. You are making wrong edits because AWB suggests them. Stop and check your edits as you go: you are an editor, not an approved bot. Or, as a work-round: set up the Gadget in Preferences which colours links to disambiguation pages orange. Scan your contributions list after a run of these bot-like AWB edits, look for orange, check and revert. Do it regularly to reduce the chance of wasting the time of stub-sorters. Please. I've just fixed several more. [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 18:07, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

::::::Find the orange-colouring gadget in "Preferences", "Gadgets", and then near the bottom of the list under "Appearance". Very useful way to avoid accidentally linking to dab pages in articles, and also highlights these mistakes in your bulk runs of stub-and-orphan addition. [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 23:40, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

*[https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T212601 On Phabricator] it is said by {{ping|Rjwilmsi}} that the latest version of AWB does not malfunction on [[Alleh]]. Are you 100% sure you are using the current AWB? [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 18:48, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

::For info: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nedzhirlu&diff=prev&oldid=923990424 Latest example] of incorrect tagging of a {{tl|geodis}} page. [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 18:59, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi! What is the version number of AWB you are using? It appears on the splash screen or by choosing Help > About. Thanks! [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 02:44, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

== pinging v. whisperback ==

I note what you say in your statement at the top of the page, but would much prefer you just to {{tl|ping}} me in an edit rather than using {{tl|whisperback}} on my talk page. Your way, I get a notification to tell me to go to my talk page to read your message there. Using "Ping", I get a notification that you've mentioned me on your talkpage, in one step. [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 23:43, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

:Will do-[[User:BigDwiki|BigDwiki]]^{[[User talk:BigDwiki| talk]]} 21:47, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

== Are you looking at your edits? ==

In [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stanza_Stones_Trail&type=revision&diff=923938904&oldid=915895628 this edit], "off-road" was not appropriate. "Off road" was a reasonable short wording, but I've changed it to "off the road" to avoid it being "corrected" carelessly again. Please remember to look at all the edits AWB suggests, to make sure that they are right. They are your responsibility. [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 19:23, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

:It appeared correct to me at the time, and it still does. It fits the [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/off-road definition]- -[[User:BigDwiki|BigDwiki]]^{[[User talk:BigDwiki| talk]]} 19:25, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

::You're spending just a few seconds on each edit, making multiple edits per minute. You are not paying close enough attention or you don't understand what you are doing. For example above, the definition you linked to does ''not'' match that usage. I've just corrected two other errors you made [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_birds_of_Barbados&diff=923960888&oldid=921038557 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alex_Clare&diff=923969747&oldid=923758148 here]. Please be more careful.&nbsp;[[User:SchreiberBike|SchreiberBike&nbsp;]]&#124;[[User talk:SchreiberBike#top|&nbsp;⌨&nbsp;]] 23:49, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

:::If you really believe that "off-road" was appropriate in that context, then you appear not to be familiar with British English usage. Please stop editing articles on UK topics, right now. [[WP:CIR]] [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 08:42, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

== [[Agency for Health Technology Assessment and Tariff System]] ==

Despite previous warnings you still seem to be adding incorrect tags to articles. Please stop doing so. There is nothing in this article that should be linked but is not, so it should not have an {{tl|underlinked}} template. [[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 21:56, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

:And I see that you have done the same at [[United Kingdom Haemophilia Centre Doctors' Organisation]]. You are responsible for all edits that you make, including those suggested by automatic tools. It seems that [[User:PamD]] is right that you are not capable of using AWB responsibly. [[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 22:12, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

::Phil, this is the first time anyone has said anything about incorrect tags outside of disambiguation pages. The only complaint I have had was about disambiguation pages which is a well-known and longstanding bug that multiple people have tried to get fixed. I wrote a skip rule in AWB to try to mitigate this and after many attempts, I think I have it. What you are talking about is a totally new issue to me. -[[User:BigDwiki|BigDwiki]]^{[[User talk:BigDwiki| talk]]} 22:16, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

:::Sorry, but the issue of whether you should blindingly perform edits suggested by an automatic tool is not new to anyone. If you are incapable of using your own judgement about the edits that ''you'' make then you should not be using such tools. [[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 22:20, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

::::Also, can you elaborate on why you think the tags should not be added to the article? AWB suggested them and they appear to be valid. Also, I found several links that could have been easily added and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Agency_for_Health_Technology_Assessment_and_Tariff_System&diff=923964097&oldid=923959894&diffmode=source added them]. It appears that per [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking]], the articles are indeed underlinked:

::::An article is said to be ''underlinked'' if words are not linked and are needed to aid understanding of the article. In general, links should be created for:

*Relevant connections to the subject of another article that will help readers understand the article more fully (see the example below). This can include people, events, and topics that already have an article or that clearly deserve one, so long as the link is relevant to the article in question.

*Articles with relevant information, for example: "{{xt|see [[Fourier series]] for relevant background}}"

*Articles explaining words of technical terms, jargon or slang expressions/phrases—but you could also provide a concise definition instead of or in addition to a link. If there is no appropriate Wikipedia article, an [[Help:Interwikimedia links|interwikimedia link]] to [[Wiktionary]] could be used.

*[[Proper name]]s that are likely to be unfamiliar to readers

-[[User:BigDwiki|BigDwiki]]^{[[User talk:BigDwiki| talk]]} 22:22, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

::::Please stick to the issue of tagging instead of personal attacks. Accusing me of being "incapable" of using a tool is borderline attacking. If your position is that the tags should not be added and you have come here to make that known, please defend that position instead of side-attacking my use of AWB. At heart here is a simple dispute of whether tags are proper or not. I would have added those tags with or without AWB and you have not cited any policy which states that they should not have been added. -[[User:BigDwiki|BigDwiki]]^{[[User talk:BigDwiki| talk]]} 22:25, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

:::::"Government agency" and "Poland" are useless links that don't meet any of those criteria. Just stop using AWB until you understand what you are doing, or else you will be made to stop. [[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 22:28, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

::::::I absolutely disagree that they are useless links and it is my position that they add value to the article. Just stop making false accusations otherwise you may be made to stop.-[[User:BigDwiki|BigDwiki]]^{[[User talk:BigDwiki| talk]]} 22:31, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

:::::::[[Poland]] is specifically excluded from linking by [[MOS:OVERLINK]], as a major geographical entity. [[Government agency]] is at best marginal: it is pretty much a pair of "Everyday words understood by most readers in context." and linking to the target article isn't going to enhance anyone's reading of the article on [[Agency for Health Technology Assessment and Tariff System]]. As it says in that MOS page: "Ask yourself, "How likely is it that the reader will also want to read that other article?" " ([[MOS:BUILD]], higher up that MOS page). [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 08:38, 1 November 2019 (UTC) <small>(typo in link to MOS:BUILD corrected: 14:48, 2 November 2019 (UTC))</small>

== AWB usage ==

Please check AWB edits before saving. {{t|Orphan}} and {{t|stub}} tags should not be added to disambiguation pages. [[User:SD0001|SD0001]] ([[User talk:SD0001|talk]]) 00:28, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

:This should be fixed as of today. Are you seeing new edits today with this? -[[User:BigDwiki|BigDwiki]]^{[[User talk:BigDwiki| talk]]} 00:30, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

::I was patrolling [[CAT:STUBS]]. There were a truckload of disambig pages and few interwiki soft redirects all tagged as {{t|stub}} by you. [[User:SD0001|SD0001]] ([[User talk:SD0001|talk]]) 00:43, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

:::Ok, this is a bug that a lot of users seem to get. I added a skip rule to try to combat it but it seems a lot of pages did get marked with it. I am seeing where another user used AWB to edit a page, it was reverted, and then I came along and made the same edit to be reverted again not knowing. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Driving_in_Brazil&action=history here].-[[User:BigDwiki|BigDwiki]]^{[[User talk:BigDwiki| talk]]} 00:46, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

::::Respectfully, BigDwiki, that is not a bug in the program. It is a mistake you made. The program is only ''semi''automated. You need to look at and understand each edit before you save it. Please don't think of AWB as a tool that you can fix so it doesn't make mistakes, rather see it as something that helps you make repetitive edits which you are responsible for.&nbsp;[[User:SchreiberBike|SchreiberBike&nbsp;]]&#124;[[User talk:SchreiberBike#top|&nbsp;⌨&nbsp;]] 01:01, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

:::::Hi, as per above, there are still more disambiguation pages being tagged as {{t|Orphan}} and {{t|stub}}. Thanks. --[[User:Justanothersgwikieditor|Justanothersgwikieditor]] ([[User talk:Justanothersgwikieditor|talk]]) 02:07, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

::::::Where? Are they after my discussion with PamD above?-[[User:BigDwiki|BigDwiki]]^{[[User talk:BigDwiki| talk]]} 02:08, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

:::::::Examples - [[Valeh]] and [[Ryazan Province]] which are after the discussion above. To add on, apparently tags in the format of {{t|XXXdis}} are not detected as disambiguation tags and AWB went in to update and change these tags. --[[User:Justanothersgwikieditor|Justanothersgwikieditor]] ([[User talk:Justanothersgwikieditor|talk]]) 02:10, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

::::::::I just looked at your recent contributions. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nedzhirlu&diff=prev&oldid=923990424 here]. If this continues, I will request that your access to AWB be removed. This is not what I enjoy doing on Wikipedia.&nbsp;[[User:SchreiberBike|SchreiberBike&nbsp;]]&#124;[[User talk:SchreiberBike#top|&nbsp;⌨&nbsp;]] 02:13, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

:::::::::And this [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edmonton_Public_Schools&diff=923928217&oldid=916528945] is not a typo or a minor edit. Did you even look at that content before you changed it? You are responsible for your edits, even when using AWB. The school name was spelled correctly as "Amiskwaciy Academy". The cited reference gives the correct spelling. "Amiskwaciy" is a Cree word. If you spoke Cree you would have known better than to change the spelling to "amiskwacity". And since you apparently don't speak Cree, and couldn't be bothered to look at the ref or spend a few seconds doing a Google search, you should not have touched it. Please go back and check your recent edits. [[User:Meters|Meters]] ([[User talk:Meters|talk]]) 02:46, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

{{outdent}}

And this one [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trichacis_virginiensis&diff=923990490&oldid=917849802] you made less than an hour ago. A one-line stub with three refs and a further reading suggestion is '''not''' undersourced. [[User:Meters|Meters]] ([[User talk:Meters|talk]]) 02:58, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

:And you might want to look at who you are welcoming to Wikipedia. There does not seem to be much point in welcoming mobile IPs, particularly when their only edits are vandalism. [[User:Meters|Meters]] ([[User talk:Meters|talk]]) 04:05, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Bot like edits from User:BigDwiki]] ==

[[File:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. <!--Template:ANI-notice-->--[[User:Phil Bridger|Phil Bridger]] ([[User talk:Phil Bridger|talk]]) 22:24, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

== CSD declined ==

Greetings. I declined your CSD for this talk page because, per [[WP:U1]], it is not applicable to user talk pages, and, per [[WP:RTV]], it is an extraordinary measure that must be requested of a functionary. You '''may''' blank this page. However, please do not edit war over this or you will be blocked. [[User:Swarm|<span style="color:black">'''~Swarm~'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Swarm|<span style="color:DarkViolet">{sting}</span>]]} 19:19, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

== Blocked indefinitely ==

I have blocked your account indefinitely for disruptive editing, specifically, continuing to use Huggle after your Rollback (and thus, Huggle) privileges were revoked, and for continuing to edit in a [[WP:MEATBOT|bot-like manner]] after being warned that you would be indefinitely blocked if you did so. [[User:Swarm|<span style="color:black">'''~Swarm~'''</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Swarm|<span style="color:DarkViolet">{sting}</span>]]} 19:28, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

:sounds good to me.-[[User:BigDwiki|BigDwiki]]^{[[User talk:BigDwiki| talk]]} 19:35, 2 November 2019 (UTC)