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Found this article: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5in3MSQ9q1-0mWTFvNRSzyGRgo2NQ?docId=40b15421-b3fe-413a-bdee-78bd5a21fdfb&hl=enEditosaurus (talk) 03:08, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Russian ruble??? Yes, there are talks of adaptation, I agree. But those are just talks as of yet. All financial operations such as government is getting paid by hryvnia and from the State Budget of Ukraine. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 23:51, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Declaration of Independence cannot in a single day change a monetary system. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 23:52, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So far, this article's premise rests almost entirely on an unreliable source that acts as a mouthpiece for the Russian government (RT). Other sources seem to state that the Crimean "declaration of independence" is only effective upon a "yes" vote in the upcoming referendum: Al Jazeera Euronews Associated Press -Kudzu1 (talk) 00:40, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Yes - Independence was declared regardless of the outcome of elections on 16 march.

Even if the outcome of the vote is a no, Crimean Republic will not be a part of Ukraine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.208.102 (talk) 01:36, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• • No - Independence will be declared ONLY WHEN REFERENDUM RETURN FEDERAL SUBJECT OPTION AS A WINNER. See my post below. Seryo93 (talk) 09:23, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• It was given by a parliamentary vote, in which 78 out of 100 voted in favour of declaring independence, so as of 11 March 2014, Crimean Republic broke away from Ukraine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.208.102 (talk) 01:39, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• The Daily Mail from Britain confirms that the Crimean parliament has declared independence of Crimea from Ukraine ahead of the referendum. [1].--74.12.195.248 (talk) 02:04, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Al Jazeera, Euronews, and the Associated Press report otherwise. —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 02:09, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Possibly, those news sources have got the translation wrong from Russian news sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.208.102 (talk) 02:10, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Whether by one source it is a proposed entity or one that currently exists, the article should be kept. Unless the Crimean voters reject the referendum (which any serious observer of this knows has about as much chance as a cat laying a chicken egg), the Republic of Crimea, proposed or in existence, will be an entity in five days. The real issue here for the five days prior to the referendum, is figuring out the issue if it is just proposed now, or existing now.--74.12.195.248 (talk) 02:18, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Or, alternatively, WP:CRYSTAL. Dekimasuよ! 02:56, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not anymore, the vote was 95.5% in favour of seceding from Ukraine and joining Russia, big surprise eh. (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26606097)--74.12.195.248 (talk) 23:35, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What the referendum is actually saying is that there are two options:

a) Join Russia

b) Not join Russia and keep being an independent state

So IF majority do not vote for first option, then Crimea will remain to be independent. I am not sure why, or how people have gotten so confused over this. I suspect translation errors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.64.242.200 (talk) 01:44, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Here is an exact verbatim copy of the ballot from the Crimean parliament: [2] Could you please show me where in that document does it say that Crimea "will remain independent"? —Ahnoneemoos (talk) 01:55, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I guess we will have to wait and see the outcome. There is clearly a lot of confusion around the issue. However, that copy was issued on the 6th of march, and this independence was declared on the 11th, which probably does not help very much to clarify matters. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.64.242.200 (talk) 02:11, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This declaration is a so-called 'delayed status' (similar to Gagauz independence in case Moldova lose it's independence) - it will only effect in independent state (which will thereafter apply for membership in Russia per art. 3 of the Declaration) only if the Crimean referendum, 2014 passes first (Russian federal subject) option as a result:
"1. В случае если в результате предстоящего 16 марта 2014 года прямого волеизъявления народов Крыма будет принято решение о вхождении Крыма, включая Автономную Республику Крым и город Севастополь, в состав России, Крым после референдума будет объявлен (will be declared, not already declared - Seryo93) независимым и суверенным государством с республиканской формой правления.". Note bold words (and wait for a referendum outcome). Seryo93 (talk) 09:16, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Option "b)" posted above is completly wrong. See this act - second option is about remaining in Ukraine: "2) Вы за восстановление действия Конституции Республики Крым 1992 года и за статус Крыма как части Украины?". Seryo93 (talk) 09:16, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is it me... or is this article really getting stupider by the minute? I mean... a WHOLE WORLD image just to illustrate some meaningless peninsula? C'mon, people! 24.201.209.74 (talk) 03:19, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is this really that important to comment on? If you don't like the new image, just reverse it and add explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.64.242.200 (talk) 03:39, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Crimean peninsula isn't meaningless, but it would indeed be better to replace world map with map of Europe for better clarity. --109.60.127.225 (talk) 09:00, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How to nominate this article for speedy deletion and under what criteria would be best? JDanek007^Talk 07:05, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Jdanek007: If you feel really strongly, Made up may be what you are thinking of, but no admin will delete it under and CSD criteria. If you want it deleted, WP:AFD is the best venue for you to take it. --Mdann52talk to me! 11:07, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a specific tool for creating the zoomed-in view that can be found in articles such as Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia (country), etc. It would be a better alternative here... - Anonimski (talk) 18:01, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

IMHO, it would be better to use a map like File:Location UK-Crimea-RU.PNG, but with Russia and (rest of the) Ukraine colored like other countries of course. --109.60.127.225 (talk) 21:00, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think that your suggestion is better per se, but it's also important to maintain consistency throughout the articles. - Anonimski (talk) 22:18, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree, that the current map in the article is worthless. You need a magnifying glass at your screen to see Crimea on it. Would it not make more sense to use just a Europe-map as a basis, rather than the globe? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.64.242.200 (talk) 01:34, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This source keeps being added as a reference to the statement that Russia has officially recognized Crimea's independence. The source, however, says nothing of the sort. What it says (and I quote) is that Міністерство закордонних справ Росії заявило, що прийнята 11 березня парламентом Криму декларація незалежності відповідає нормам міжнародного права (Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs stated that the Crimea's March 11 Declaration of Independence meets the norms of the international law). There has been no official recognition of Crimea's independence from Russia; at least not yet. Hope this clarifies the matter.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 12, 2014; 20:13 (UTC)

True, but there are plenty of other sources (that are not included here for some odd reason) that state that Russia Does recognize Crimea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.64.242.200 (talk) 01:38, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

E.g. this news report is one of those as such: http://news.am/eng/news/198528.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.64.242.200 (talk) 01:53, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Secondary sources which contradict one another is exactly the situation where looking at the primary sources helps. Thus far, Russia issued no official document recognizing Crimea's independence (such documents exist for both Abkhazia and South Ossetia, for example).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 13, 2014; 12:07 (UTC)

Probably, they would recognize it after the referendum, in order to pass the relevant legislation for the incorporation of Crimea into the Russian Federation, but apparently not yet. Apcbg (talk) 12:39, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• please take a note — Statement by the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs regarding the adoption of the Declaration of Independence of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol — from official site of the Russian MFA (the only statement of MFA on its website regarding Crimea Declaration) --Q Valda (talk) 05:21, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I hereby dispute the following specific descriptors:

• that the alleged "Republic of Crimea" is "unrecognized"
• that the alleged "Republic of Crimea" is currently operating "de facto" in any way or form
• that the alleged "Republic of Crimea" is "sovereign"
• that the alleged "Republic of Crimea" is a state
• that the alleged "Republic of Crimea" claims a territory
• that the alleged "Republic of Crimea" is independent
• that the alleged "Republic of Crimea" has Simferopol as its capital
• that the alleged "Republic of Crimea" has Russian, Ukrainian, and Crimean Tatar as spoken languages
• that the alleged "Republic of Crimea" has a republican form of government
• that the alleged "Republic of Crimea" proclaimed its independence through a legislative process
• that the alleged "Republic of Crimea" proclaimed its independence on 11 March
• that the alleged "Republic of Crimea" "established" its independence

I have reasons to believe that all these statements are false per the following reliable sources:

• the declaration issued by Crimea and Sevastopol do not establish anything, it merely expresses an intent (official source: [3])
• Al Jazeera, Euronews, and the Associated Press agree with the above.

Per WP:BURDEN, I hereby request that reliable sources are provided for the relevant text on the article.

—Ahnoneemoos (talk) 17:22, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's generally bad practice to tag every word like that. The accuracy issue with the whole article is already tagged in the beginning, I guess that more material will be published in the upcoming days, so that it can be fixed. - Anonimski (talk) 17:49, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Until the referendum happens and a vote is approved on joining Russia (and therefore becoming an independent state) I would support adding the word "proposed" to this article, as in "the Republic of Crimea is a proposed sovereign state" rather than "the Republic of Crimea is an unrecognized sovereign state". It seems like this declaration was misunderstood by most. Technically (I have read the declaration several times to make sure), the declaration states an intention to declare independence in the event of the referendum voting for joining Russia. The declaration may have been necessary to clarify the steps to be taken after the referendum. Crimea can only join Russia as an independent sovereign state, so that's why they declared it. But at this point, the referendum has not happened yet, one of the options is to remain part of Ukraine, so I'm not sure it makes sense to write about the Republic of Crimea as something that exists in the present. --Stan2525 (talk) 04:07, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point, and that's why I originally introduced separate entries for "Proclaimed" and "Established" in the infobox. The important part is that the decision to hold an official independence referendum on Crimea (together with the area of Simferopol) is something that can't be done according to the constitution of Ukraine, since only the option of staying would be possible. Thus, these actions are performed as an independent state that wishes to establish if there is popular support for its independence (followed by a union with Russia). There's also the fact that the government of Crimea has declared itself the "sole legal authority" of the territory, and this was done even before March 11. - Anonimski (talk) 08:07, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]