Welcome to Wikipedia, Tsistunagiska! Thank you for your contributions. I am Whisperjanes and I have been editing Wikipedia for some time, so if you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. You can also check out Wikipedia:Questions or type {{help me}} at the bottom of this page. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Also, when you post on talk pages you should sign your name using four tildes (~~~~); that will automatically produce your username and the date. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Whisperjanes (talk) 17:01, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Whisperjanes Thanks for the cookies. Yum-Yum, they look delish!!! Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:56, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I saw your post on WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America, so I wanted to say hi and welcome! :) I'm glad you're willing to share your expertise on Wikipedia (it is definitely needed), and I appreciate you taking the time to improve the Cherokee society article. I've added a welcome message to the top of this page that gives some information about Wikipedia - I hope you find it useful.

Since I've seen some of your first edits on the article Cherokee society, I wanted to offer some friendly advice on how to make your edits better. I highly recommend you read WP:RELIABLE, which is a guideline on what the English Wikipedia community considers to be a "Reliable Source". I also recommend you read the much shorter WP:SELFPUB, about using self-published sources.

A few of the links you cited seem like they are not reliable enough, because they seem to be "self-published" sources - specifically https://bearriverkansas.com/ (which seems to be for a Role playing game) and https://cherokeehazel.wordpress.com/. It would be better to replace those sources with more reliable ones, if you can.

I hope this helps and isn't too much information at once! If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a reply on this page by using the text {{re|Whisperjanes}} in your message. Or, you can leave a message on my talk page. Best, - Whisperjanes (talk) 17:41, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@WhisperjanesI will endeavour to find more reliable sources. These are all things we know are true and I never quote or use information from any source that isn't accepted as truth. It's hard to find sources for some items as most official Cherokee sites do not share historical/spiritual data and rather allows locals and storytellers to share this information. I will also read the information you provided. Thank you.--Tsistunagiska (talk) 18:13, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It can definitely be hard to find "reliable" sources for Wikipedia, and that's unfortunately what makes sharing certain information more difficult on Wikipedia. I'm glad you're looking into some books, though! I wish that storytellers themselves (or all types of oral history) could be referenced as a reliable source on Wikipedia, but so far, there hasn't been a way to do it (I assume because it would be too easy to spread false information that way). - Whisperjanes (talk) 20:21, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Whisperjanes: Absolutely!! It can be especially frustrating because I know the stories. I know what has been taught but I can't reference what is in my mind as of yet so I keep digging and researching to find something reliable to confirm what I have been taught. It is extremely rewarding when you find it. :)Tsistunagiska (talk) 20:24, 17 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Osiyo, Tsistunagiska, and welcome to Women in Red! First of all, thank you so much for your kind words on my talk page. The main reason I contribute regularly to Wikipedia is that I really enjoy it. I find it rewarding to see how we are able to make slow but sure progress in a number of important areas, especially in connection with women. On the basis of the informative additions you have made to Cherokee society, it looks as if you are going to be a useful member of our project. You already seem to have a pretty good grasp of the basics of editing but you might find it useful to go through The Wikipedia Adventure. Once you feel ready to create your own biographies, you might like to look at our Ten Simple Rules. Please let me know if you run into any difficulties or need assistance. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 13:42, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ipigott Well, you have successfully brought me to tears this morning. Happy tears! :) The tasks can be very grueling at times so I just like to offer encouragement where I can. I can't explain why you stood out to me when I was going through the list of participants but you did, even before I read your page. And then I saw why. You are an incredible person and I just had to tell you that. I am making daily changes to the referenced article and picking up on suggestions and tips. The article will look significantly different once I really get comfortable with editing and the goal is to, one day, start and build relevant articles myself. I am also a member of the Cherokee Wikipedia Community but unfortunately I am not, currently, a fluent speaker/writer. I am working to rectify that. So I am just promoting the community until we can get some fluent speakers/writers in to actually critique and write articles themselves.

In this edit here, I reverted some information that appears to be a violation of our copyright policy.

I provided a brief summary of the problem in the edit summary, which should be visible just below my name. You can also click on the "view history" tab in the article to see the recent history of the article. This should be an edit with my name, and a parenthetical comment explaining why your edit was reverted. If that information is not sufficient to explain the situation, please ask.S Philbrick(Talk) 13:15, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@S Philbrick I will rewrite the section however that site you listed is not the originator of the information provided. As a matter of fact, I have a lesson plan from the Cherokee Nation that I modified to write this section. I am simply provided sources outside of it to add credibility to what I was writing. The site you provided was not used as a source in this instance because it is one of dozens found to contain the same information that originated from James Mooney's "History, Myths and Sacred Formulas of the Cherokees" published in 1900 and Thomas E Mail's "The Cherokee People" published in 1992.

SusunW Sorry to pull you around but I figured Ian might being get tired of us by now. LOL. So, Isabel Cobb is going to be a fun one. First female physician in Indian Territory. I'm just starting to get information on her but there appears to be a wealth of it.Tsistunagiska (talk) 19:04, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Ian is really very patient, or that is my experience with him. Glad you are finding sources. That is always the hardest part for women. SusunW (talk) 19:29, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SusunW One sentence in particular that I read about her life that really made me emotional was the fact she adopted an Italian orphan boy. My mother died when I was young and my father lost his will to live until he did take his life. So, in that sense I was an orphan. Her Italian son lived with her in Cherokee "territory". I was born in Cherokee "territory" but spent the first 11 years of my life in Italy. While I have married, once, I never had children but adopted my daughter who lost her mother who was of Italian descent. Similarities and connections abound.Tsistunagiska (talk) 14:24, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I just finished an article about Henrietta Mann, a Cheyenne from western Oklahoma. She helped design Native American studies programs in the US in the early 1970s. I felt a huge connection to her, as that was one of my majors in university and without her work the field wouldn't have existed. So yes, it is all about connections. SusunW (talk) 14:41, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

{re|SusunW}} I am tempted to contact the author of this book [1] and see if I can get permission to use the picture of Isabel in her buggy. That is such an amazing picture.Tsistunagiska (talk) 14:50, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SusunWIpigott Put the article on Isabel Cobb in draft form until I can add pictures. I have a few that are public domain by now as they were done prior to 1925 and I can t find where they are attributed to anyone. There is a picture of Cobb Hall on NSU's website. I may contact the university and see if I can get written permission to use that picture and attribute it to their website and university.Tsistunagiska (talk) 21:08, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mind if I share some American Indian/Native American + First Nations bios/articles that I'm drafting (or topics I come across)?

You seem to be a busy bee, so I don't want to put too much on your plate Wikipedia-wise (especially since I see you have a lot of your own topics you're pursuing). But I'd appreciate any extra eyes or help!

Otherwise, feel free to share any biographies with me, and I'll lend my own helping hands. I tend to focus on creative-related topics (games, artists, authors, dance, etc.), but I find myself working on pretty much anything on Wikipedia (jack of all trades, or so the saying goes). - Whisperjanes (talk) 06:24, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Whisperjanes: Are you kidding me!? I would love to collaborate together. SusunW and Ipigott have been helping me tremendously. I welcome you all critiquing and editing anything I do to make it better. I get emotional sometimes while reading about these incredible women like Isabel Cobb, whom I am working on now. I ran across a editorial written about her where this male doctor discusses her income, rather disparagingly in my view. Isabel grew up very poor, she walked some 10 miles to a one room school house until she went to the Female Seminary in Oklahoma. She put herself through the Glendale University in Ohio leaving everything she knew behind just to prepare herself for the University of Pennsylvania, which she got accepted into and graduated with her M.D. Then she took an internship on Staten Island taking care of hundreds and thousands of women and children, many of them immigrants coming into the US. It prepared her to go home to Oklahoma and care for the Cherokee and Muskogee and Crow and Kiowa women and children that came through her practice which she did out of a barn. Her pay may have been less but that's because she took less, sometimes nothing at all. And ALL of this before women could even vote. AMAZING!Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:51, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tsistunagiska, "I get emotional sometimes while reading about these incredible women" could sum up my editing history. As a kid in school, there were never any stories about women. It isn't easy to write their stories back into history, but the stories are begging to be told. Whisperjanes I think it's cool that y'all found each other. It takes of village and lots of collaborators one trusts to build articles. The beauty of having a circle of people is that we all have different skills and can help each other create the best articles that we can. Glad to help in anyway I can. SusunW (talk) 14:01, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm always so excited to meet people doing this type of work on Wikipedia. Stories are incredibly powerful. I'm a programmer myself, but the first programmer I ever met in person was a man who said he started coding when he was 6 because his father told him he would give him $5 if he coded something in BASIC. After that, almost every programmer I met was a young man who started when they were in elementary school or younger. For some reason, I didn't realize how much these "stories" affected me until I was a young adult trying to get into the tech industry myself and oh, how nervous I was all of the time (and often still am, to be honest). I think it's so easy for stories to shape who we are and who we can see ourselves being, whether we realize it or not. Untold stories and representation are so, so precious.

Thanks SusunW and Tsistunagiska for your offers of help and kind words! I'm glad to have run into both of you :) Here are some drafts I've started, if you're interested in contributing: Draft:World Championship Hoop Dance Contest and Draft:Joyce Begay-Foss. The ones I'm having a harder time on are Draft:Beulah Melvin Allen, Draft:Hillel Echo-Hawk, and Draft:Sihasin, but that's because I'm not sure how much info there is out there about them. - Whisperjanes (talk) 05:58, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Whisperjanes I'm finishing up an article and helping someone fix another, so need a couple of days to do that, but I'll take a look as soon as I can. I will circle back, I promise. SusunW (talk) 15:13, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SusunW: Thanks, I appreciate it! No rush :) - Whisperjanes (talk) 15:14, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Whisperjanes:, I'll start perusing your list and see what information I can come up with. I apologize for being away for a few days. My family and I are preparing for winter so it's taking up the majority of my time but will settle in once we get the final preparations completed. I still have to finish the article on Draft:Connie Redbird Pinkerman-Uri. I have quite a good deal of information compiled and I have written out the first paragraph of the article. I just need to focus and complete it. I am always glad to assist anyone with anything they are passionate about, whether I am just as passionate or not about it. I have and would assist even if I disagreed with the premise of the subject or topic. I helped organize a rally once for the Lakota when they were protesting at Mt. Rushmore. I helped them even though I disagreed that they should even do it. I did give my reasons for why I disagreed and they listened. It made them think. See, the Lakota didn't own the Black Hills. They didn't even originate from there. They drove the Cheyenne out and conquered their lands through war. The Cheyenne conquered it from the Kiowa who are now located in Oklahoma and Kansas next to Cherokee and Muskogee lands which were taken from the Apache and given to nations displaced by Euro/American expansion. I told some Lakota leaders that I would have to protest their ownership of the lands in the place of the Kiowa who originated from there in the name of equality of causes. And I can't even prove that the Kiowa were the first to occupy that land. I know, its a long read but it may cause us to pause and reflect. History, whether its being written or has been written, is always seen through the eyes of the beholder. The stories deserve to be told but we have to approach them all from a place of wanting to learn as a student and not from a place of wanting to judge and rule on its merits. SusunWIpigott

Love each of you and I so appreciate all that you continue to do! :-)Tsistunagiska (talk) 17:30, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Tsistunagiska. I finished my 2 projects and got access back to newspapers.com. Here's some additional info. She grew up in Wheatland, California[1],[2]; first husband appears to be Finch, not Lynch[3], 2nd was Uri[4]; and info on Wounded Knee.[5][6]. You could probably upload the photo as fair use if you cannot find one that is freely distributable. SusunW (talk) 14:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SusunW: Thank you so much, lovely. I'm looking over this information now. Pictures that can be shared are always hard to come by.Tsistunagiska (talk) 14:29, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, so if you cannot find any, I can walk you through uploading that one as fair use. SusunW (talk) 14:48, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Whisperjanes Hoop Dancing: [7],[8] Do you want to try to compile a list of the winners? That might be hard, but we could try. SusunW (talk) 14:48, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SusunW:, the last two years champions are found at this site[9]. 2018 (28th) found here[10]

I figured out how to search the database, so it may not be as hard as I thought initially. I'll just add what I have found to the draft. SusunW (talk) 16:03, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Whisperjanes I think I got the complete list in. Were it me, I'd give the background info in the two links I provided above. I'd change the hoop dancing link to Native American Hoop Dance and at top of the "Competition" section I would add {{Main|World Championship Hoop Dance Contest}} to link the championship. SusunW (talk) 19:38, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On Begay-Foss, it would be lovely if we could figure out what those "more than 20 awards" she won are, but for the life of me, I cannot find them.[11] Were it me, I would put that in the lede and then take her live. SusunW (talk) 20:18, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Melvin Allen[12],[13],[14],[15]; married Cremer between 1958 and 1959[16],[17], [18]; Then she disappears after 1960, no longer at Cornell[19]; married Allen 1969.[20] SusunW (talk) 21:21, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently she stopped her schooling when she got married and went back after a divorce.[21] and [22], [23],[24],[25],[26],[27],[28], [29] and [30],[31] SusunW (talk) 22:58, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SusunW: Awesome! Thanks for all your work so far, and the links! Sorry for the late reply - I was a bit busy the last day or so with family (and one of the random articles I've been working on that's been at AfC for months got rejected, so I had to do some digging for it to get accepted). Yeah, and for Begay-Foss, I couldn't find the specific awards either. I'll add the statement about having more than 20. Also thank you so so much for those Melvin Allen articles! I've seriously been looking everywhere about her but I guess the name change is what tripped me up (plus, I think I found another doctor that's from more modern times that has her same name?) I think I read somewhere that she was a major help for/part of the Indian Health Service early on, too, but I can't remember where I read that and haven't been able to find anything specific to back up that claim (other than that she was a part of the IHS). I'll have a look at all of those sources and add them to the article. - Whisperjanes (talk) 17:33, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Whisperjanes We all have real life commitments, no worries. I would not submit articles to AfC. They aren't trained in how to write or improve articles. Instead their goal is to review them to advise if they would stand up to a deletion nomination, as they were submitted. If you need help in evaluating them, far better to ask someone you trust to review it and then simply move it to article space. When you have successfully created 25 "valid" articles request autopatrol status. Yes, the other Dr. Beulah (Ream) Allen made the search much harder. She is also deserving of an article, which I am probably gonna write this month. I'm a research specialist, working on women and their name changes for decades, ultimately makes you one. LOL. Hint, I searched for "Beulah Allen, Navajo" in quotes for the whole last set of articles. Just let me know if you need more help and I'll pop in and give it a shot. SusunW (talk) 19:49, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SusunW: Ahh, I see. Thanks for the tips! I'm glad to hear that explanation about AfC as well, because I have been using it as a feedback or a general review tool sometimes (but, as you've said, it's not always the most helpful for general feedback). I knew I wanted to apply for autopatrol status at some point, but now I have a clearer time frame, too. I'll let you know if I need any more help, thanks! Also, Tsistunagiska, Pinkerman-Uri seems very interesting. I'm excited to read more about her! - Whisperjanes (talk) 22:27, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Whisperjanes, I've done Beulah Ream Allen, so when you are ready to move yours to mainspace, we'll need to hatnote them. SusunW (talk) 21:30, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hope you don't mind that I recategorized the images over on Commons - I created a category so that anyone else who wants can more easily add images to it. Great work on the article, and please add mine to the chorus of welcomes you've been receiving over the past few days. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 17:03, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ser Amantio di Nicolao:Thank you so much for the welcome. I have no issues with legitimate edits of anything that I do. We are a community. The only request I ever have is that you tell me and show me what edits were necessary or may improve the article just as you have done. It's more for my knowledge and understanding than anything else. I want to share these "songs" with everyone but I want it to be "in tune". Btw, I grew up on Italian opera and classical folk. Tsistunagiska (talk) 17:10, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You have excellent taste. :-)

The one other thing - I added some categories to the article as well. Nothing major, just a few things. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 17:23, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Tsistunagiska! We're so happy you wanted to play to learn, as a friendly and fun way to get into our community and mission. I think these links might be helpful to you as you get started.

• The Wikipedia Adventure Start Page
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• The Teahouse new editor help space
• Wikipedia Help pages

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--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:53, 29 August 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging[reply]

It's hard to believe it has been a month for me on Wikipedia as a contributor. I know, it's such a small amount of time compared to the years many of you have been here. I have met some very wonderful people and grown to admire and respect all of you who have made this an incredible experience so far. I just wanted to tag each one of you and tell you how grateful I am.

• Ooswesthoesbes and Biosthmors, you were the first to welcome me to Wikipedia, albeit the Cherokee version. Our conversations lit the fire in me and it still burns. (btw, got a response from the CHC and they will be discussing something in the near future but I believe we will be getting some help)
• Whisperjanes, you the first to welcome me to the English version of Wikipedia. Thank you so much for sending those cookies and helpful tips.
• Ipigott and SusunW, you both have been so inspirational to me. I am on this path as a wikipedian because of you. You both are rare gems.
• Calliopejen1, I simply adore you. Thank you so much for your contribution to Wikipedia and your diligence to authenticity.
• Sphilbrick, I appreciate your corrections of my first major rework of an article. It helped me, more than anything, to see the standards here are very high and rightly so. It is editors/admins like you that patrol looking at new revisions that will keep Wikipedia the best encyclopedia around.
• GreenRunner0, I know we may had seemingly started off wrong but I want you to know that your contributions are appreciated. We may never completely see eye-to-eye on every issue but that's the beauty and spice of life. I am stubborn and very fiery at times but I have been taught to experience life through the view of others. Carry on, my friend!
• Ser Amantio di Nicolao, thank you so much for your kind words and your helpful hand in making articles better through your edits. You are amazing!
• TJMSmith, GünniX, TheBirdsShedTears, R'n'B, 206.74.96.58, Arjayay, James Hyett and Rfl0216, thank you for contributions you have made to articles I have either written or reworked. Your efforts to make them better are appreciated and welcomed. You all rock!!

We are a community and, in my opinion, you all are my new Wikifamily. Cangleska Wakan, is the Sioux belief that we are all connected in a "sacred hoop". I cherish this belief as well. We all found each other in the way we have because of that connection. May the universe bring you fortunes and guide you on your path. May the Great Spirit grant us many moons together, my Wikifam.Tsistunagiska (talk) 19:00, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tsistunagiska I am humbled. Thank you. SusunW (talk) 19:34, 3 September 2020 (UTC)\[reply]

Tsistunagiska, When one is a volunteer, the only "pay" one gets, (beyond self-satisfaction, which is not trivial), is thanks from fellow editors. I hope you serve as a model to others. S Philbrick(Talk) 19:42, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the kind words!! Welcome again. =) When I read the portion of your text that mentioned longevity on this project, a quote from this essay that uses a curse word came to mind, for what it's worth. Best wishes to you again! Biosthmors (talk) 21:06, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Tsistunagiska! Your expertise and interests are an invaluable asset to the Wikimedia movement! TJMSmith (talk) 21:46, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Tsistunagiska. You make Wikipedia a brighter place :) - Whisperjanes (talk) 22:05, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nyawen'kó:wa Tsistunagiska! Happy to help out in any way I can, and good to see you sticking around. James Hyett (talk) 02:13, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's not often, Tsistunagiska, we are able to welcome such an enthusiastic, competent and productive new member to Women in Red. Keep up the good work and thanks also for all your interesting contributions to our talk pages.--Ipigott (talk) 07:52, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tsistunagiska, thank you for your excellent work and kind words. You have created good articles which is usually a difficult task for newcomers. To let you know, some of my initial articles were deleted via AfD that discouraged me badly, but i never gave up contributing to Wikipedia and finally it became my addiction. :D TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 11:17, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please allow me to echo the sentiments above - I had meant to do so earlier, but let it get away from me. I can already see that you're a valuable addition to this project, and look forward to seeing the work you will do in the future. Happy editing! :-) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 19:03, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! You're working in good faith. See you on the editing trails! GreenRunner0 03:13, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SusunW, I needed a little break from research and writing on Connie and so I found a neat little article about a state park I grew up near and visited countless times. I looked on here and found where it was referenced but red because no article had been written on it. I wrote a little piece on it, not much to it but well sourced. Now I just need pictures for it. Tell me what you think[1]. I'm sure there are some pictures, maybe on the state parks website. I could upload some of my own and call it published works but I do try to avoid that.Tsistunagiska (talk) 16:34, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tsistunagiska The article looks great! I fixed a link for you ;). You can upload your own work (I don't know how), but supposedly you just say you took it and you release it. Ask GRuban and he can help you. SusunW (talk) 21:39, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi I’ve just reviewed Chilkat State Park. Thanks for creating such a well-sourced article. Happy editing! Mccapra (talk) 07:56, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

	Thank you
	Thank you for your very kind words. I love your Cherokee rose. (And good luck with the Cherokee project.) MargaretRDonald (talk) 21:39, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@MargaretRDonald: Thank you so much for the flowers. They are beautiful and even more special because they come from your home. I'll have to upload some of my best snapshots of flowers. I went through Alaska and Montana taking pictures of various flowers from each state on a whim one Spring/Summer. Lol.Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:52, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Don't forget to upload your flowers to commons and to articles about them!!) Regards, MargaretRDonald (talk) 20:56, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments at AfD are not support or oppose. Instead they are in bold text, e. g., "Keep", "Delete", "Merge", "Redirect", etc. SusunW (talk) 17:11, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 15:11, 21 September 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging[reply]

Perhaps you would like to look at this. It's up for deletion.--Ipigott (talk) 13:35, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ipigott: I responded to it. As much as I would love to keep the article, her only notability that I can find is that she is Crazy Horse's mother. I have researched her hard and every article she is mentioned in is surrounded by Crazy Horse. Nothing seems "stand a lone". It pained me to even suggest merging but that is the only way I can see giving her some of the recognition she deserves.Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:39, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I should have looked more carefully at the deletion page. It just seemed a bit strange to me that an article created 15 years ago should now be up for deletion. As I'm certainly no expert on the subject, I would prefer not to comment. I see she's already mentioned in three or four other articles. There are so few articles on native American women in history that I think it would be a shame to delete it. Let's see how it goes. --Ipigott (talk) 14:23, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ipigott: I know. I took that into consideration as well. It absolutely pained me to agree that she didn't meet the notability requirements to be a "stand alone" article.Tsistunagiska (talk) 14:28, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@MargaretRDonald: Will you do me a favor? I am looking at Koyukuk Wilderness found on the template for Protected Areas of Alaska (See the bottom of Chilkat State Park). An article is written on the Koyukuk National Wildlife Refuge. They are synonymous. I know this but I took a peek anyway to verify and almost anywhere you pull up "Koyukuk Wildreness" it says "Koyukuk National Wildlife Refuge". Would you mind just looking at it and giving me your objective view of the subject. @Ipigott and SusunW: You guys can look at it too and just give me your insight. It may just need to be redirected.Tsistunagiska (talk) 18:28, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tsistunagiska I totally agree. A quick search confirms that they appear to be the same. Repointed the name in the box to Koyukuk National Wildlife Refuge|Koyukuk. SusunW (talk) 18:34, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SusunW: Thank you. I'm doing multiple things at once so I work a little here and then there. I'm still working the article on Pinkerman-Uri. In between I kind of poke around on the Cherokee articles/template and State and National Parks, when I'm not waging "war" over blatant biases. After all I am from the AniWaya (ᎠᏂᏩᏯ). (Lol) Tsistunagiska (talk) 18:53, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I hope I have done the right thing. If the two are the same then it is useful for people to find the article under either name. I could not find Koyukuk Wilderness, so I created a redirect under that name to Koyukuk National Wildlife Refuge.MargaretRDonald (talk) 22:31, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

7&6=thirteen (☎) has given you a Dobos torte to enjoy! Seven layers of fun because you deserve it. To give a Dobos torte and spread the WikiLove, just place {{subst:Dobos Torte}} on someone else's talkpage, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:13, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]