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Hello people, in a turkish text I have learnt that it is known more than 20 Albanian villages near Poli and Cape Arnauti on Cyprus;
Hello people, in a turkish text I have learnt that it is known more than 20 Albanian villages near Poli and Cape Arnauti on Cyprus;
''Bir bakıma 1890-1920 yılları arasında meydan okuyan Rumları sindirmede başrol oynamışlar ve Rumları durdurmuşlardır. Arnavutlar’ın en fazla oldukları bölge Arnavutluk burnudur. Burası Kıbrıs’ın en ucu olan Baf bölgesidir. Baf’a bağlı yaklaşık 20 köye Osmanlılar tarafından Arnavutluk’tan yerleştirildiler. İkinci kalabalık oldukları yer ise Leymosun’daki Arnavut mahallesidir. Yine Poli’nin çevresindeki 17-18 köy de Arnavut asıllıdır. Mesarga’da Kufes köyünde Arnavut soyadlı aileler vardır. Folklor araştırması yaparken şu helence kısa cümleyi kullandıklarını tespit ettim: “Aroidez Alvanayes: Bizim kökenim iz Arnavut’tur.” Sonradan Arnavutların türkleştiğini görüyoruz. Ben Arnavutları nerede görürsem göreyim yüz yapısı ile dişlerinden tanırım, onların dişleri birbirine binilidir.''[[User:Manaviko|Manaviko]] ([[User talk:Manaviko|talk]]) 00:50, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
''Bir bakıma 1890-1920 yılları arasında meydan okuyan Rumları sindirmede başrol oynamışlar ve Rumları durdurmuşlardır. Arnavutlar’ın en fazla oldukları bölge Arnavutluk burnudur. Burası Kıbrıs’ın en ucu olan Baf bölgesidir. Baf’a bağlı yaklaşık 20 köye Osmanlılar tarafından Arnavutluk’tan yerleştirildiler. İkinci kalabalık oldukları yer ise Leymosun’daki Arnavut mahallesidir. Yine Poli’nin çevresindeki 17-18 köy de Arnavut asıllıdır. Mesarga’da Kufes köyünde Arnavut soyadlı aileler vardır. Folklor araştırması yaparken şu helence kısa cümleyi kullandıklarını tespit ettim: “Aroidez Alvanayes: Bizim kökenim iz Arnavut’tur.” Sonradan Arnavutların türkleştiğini görüyoruz. Ben Arnavutları nerede görürsem göreyim yüz yapısı ile dişlerinden tanırım, onların dişleri birbirine binilidir.''[[User:Manaviko|Manaviko]] ([[User talk:Manaviko|talk]]) 00:50, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

::hello, you got other sources?--[[User:Iaof2017|Lorik17]] ([[User talk:Iaof2017|talk]]) 20:38, 29 October 2018 (UTC)


==Independence proclaimed/gained/recognized==
==Independence proclaimed/gained/recognized==

Revision as of 20:38, 29 October 2018

Some anonymous contribution placed at the top; doesn't fit; moved to here

== Besa == is an Albanian cultural precept translated as "Word of Honor" that means "to keep the promise" descends from the book Kanun, traditional Albanian laws.

Pillars of the Kanun (Code of Honor) • Honour (Albanian: Nderi) • Hospitality (Albanian: Mikpritja) • Right Conduct (Albanian: Sjellja) • Kin Loyalty (Albanian: Fisi )

== Sayings ==

Besa related sayings include • Besa e shqiptarit nuk shitet apo miret ne pazar ( The honor of an Albanian can not be sold or bought in a bazaar ) • Shqiptaret vdesin dhe besen nuk e shkelin ( Albanians would die rather than break honor )

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Albanians settlers on Cyprus

Hello people, in a turkish text I have learnt that it is known more than 20 Albanian villages near Poli and Cape Arnauti on Cyprus; Bir bakıma 1890-1920 yılları arasında meydan okuyan Rumları sindirmede başrol oynamışlar ve Rumları durdurmuşlardır. Arnavutlar’ın en fazla oldukları bölge Arnavutluk burnudur. Burası Kıbrıs’ın en ucu olan Baf bölgesidir. Baf’a bağlı yaklaşık 20 köye Osmanlılar tarafından Arnavutluk’tan yerleştirildiler. İkinci kalabalık oldukları yer ise Leymosun’daki Arnavut mahallesidir. Yine Poli’nin çevresindeki 17-18 köy de Arnavut asıllıdır. Mesarga’da Kufes köyünde Arnavut soyadlı aileler vardır. Folklor araştırması yaparken şu helence kısa cümleyi kullandıklarını tespit ettim: “Aroidez Alvanayes: Bizim kökenim iz Arnavut’tur.” Sonradan Arnavutların türkleştiğini görüyoruz. Ben Arnavutları nerede görürsem göreyim yüz yapısı ile dişlerinden tanırım, onların dişleri birbirine binilidir.Manaviko (talk) 00:50, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

hello, you got other sources?--Lorik17 (talk) 20:38, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Independence proclaimed/gained/recognized

I assume some detail will be helpfull in this case, since proclamation and recognition have not occur the same year.Alexikoua (talk) 10:30, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

1912 it was declared, in 1913 it was recognised. No independent source recognises a sovereign state from 1912 consisting of all lands claimed by Albanian Assembly. At end of 1912, Tirana was in Ottoman Empire. Period. --Edin Balgarin (talk) 16:26, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

PS. The appointment of an independent Albania occurred after Treaty of London (1913) and not Bucharest. The Bucharest treaty involved the Second Balkan War and neither Albania nor Albanians as a nation played any part in this conflict/treaty. --Edin Balgarin (talk) 16:35, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Edin Balgarin: while it is entirely legitimate that in Bulgaria you may have a different understanding of what "independence" means, in English it means "you are not ruled by an external government". Under the operational definition you are using, we would have to understand Taiwan to "not be independent" due to non-recognition despite the fact that it has ruled itself for seven decades. The independence of the United States, for another example, is understood to have begun in 1776 with the Declaration of Independence -- not when it achieved global recognition quite a bit later.--Calthinus (talk) 18:15, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Your statement is wrong from start to finish. Independence means the same in Bulgaria as it does in the UK which incidentally is where I now live. By your definition, every rebel state is "independent" but independence is understood as meaning being internationally recognised. We consider our modern independence period as having begun in 1878 and to some extent it was de facto though not per the borders we sought (when we fought Serbia in 1885-86 it was as a Bulgarian single unit). Whatever I think is irrelevant because Bulgarian independence officially began in 1908 for the current period. Accordig to your theory South Ossetia is independent since it is not ruled by foreigners and for a time Islamic State was (and continues to be in pockets) independent. Bottom line, the state the Albanian representatives declared was every bit "foreign" for non-Albanians so your observation here fails NPOV automatically. In 1912 Albania declared independence and that is all. --Edin Balgarin (talk) 07:03, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Independence date is the date when the independence is declared (so from the perspective of the state which is declaring it). Recognition is done by each and every country separately, so it doesn't have a fixed date. Anyways, recognition is just what the word says "recognition" of something that already happened. 141.136.229.181 (talk) 18:43, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lede sentence is meant to convey living situation of Albanians in summarized form, as article is about Albanians, not Albania itself. Since editors feel strongly about "declared" and "recognized" the independence sentence now includes the date 1912-1913 combining both. Its becoming absurd and the lede is not the article itself nor meant to morph into a article of its own but summarizing key points.Resnjari (talk) 07:11, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree.141.136.247.157 (talk) 12:15, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure about what control over territory you claim? Most of Albania was under Drač County till April 1913, see Serbia in the Balkan Wars. FkpCascais (talk) 13:11, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It was unrecognised by the international community who viewed the transition of territorial units as being from the Ottoman state to an Albanian one.Resnjari (talk) 13:14, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but there goes down the road the definition Calthinus defended about control, actually all of Albania was under foreign control way into mid-1913. FkpCascais (talk) 13:17, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Correction. Most of Albania was under foreign control, not all. The area of Vlore and Berat was not occupied by foreign armies and their Ottoman civil administrations submitted themselves to the self declared Vlora government.Resnjari (talk) 13:39, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Correction. There was no "Albania" in 1912 except for what its own supporters proclaimed. They laid claim to Kosovo and Central Macedonia. The fact was that while Albanians sought a major ethnic state, Greece, Serbia & Montenegro were bidding for the same lands. When Albania came onto the map it was 1913. So on the one hand Albania controlled nothing other than Berat and Vlora and that fact that the Ottomans became subjugated does not alter the fact that until 1913, all of the Kosovo Vilayet, and Vlora as well, were part of the Ottoman Empire and internationally recognised as such. --Edin Balgarin (talk) 07:07, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that there a was a self-proclaimed government that controlled a tiny part of the modern state and wasn't recognized by anyone in 1912. Independence was de jure recognized in 1913 and the borders were delineated later in 1914 (de facto control was achieved post-WWI).Alexikoua (talk) 07:58, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Other meanings of term "Albanian(s)"

In the article there is already a paragraph about the meaning of "Albanian" in an early medieval source. There are also scholarly comments about the same term in late mideaval sources. Here is one:

Albanologist Oliver Schmitt explains that in the sources of that period the term "Albanian" denotes one of the following: a) A speaker of Albanian language. b) A person from (geographical) Albania, independently of his/her language. c) A person from rural area.<Schmitt Oliver Jens, "(2009), Skanderbeg: Der neue Alexander auf dem Balkan", p. 354>

This was deleted from the Wictionary on the grounds that "english was not used in the Balkans that time".

Another historical meaning of "Albanian" is "the people from Albania of Caucasus". Here is one source: Wolfgang Schulze (Ludwig-Maximilians-University of Munich), "Caucasian Albanian and the Question of Language and Ethnicity", 2017, DOI: 10.13140/RG.2.2.18498.17602. One may argue of course that english was not spoken in ancient times Caucasus.--Skylax30 (talk) 11:36, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This seems quite valid information. However, it is a mistery for me the excuse of English not being used at that time there. Nowadays isn´t used either, only as foreign language, just as probably at Medieval times as well by the intellectuals which knew English. FkpCascais (talk) 11:48, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Quit pushing fringe theories. There was a kingdom called Albania in Latin (< Armenian, also known as Aghvank). There is no evidence they referred to themselves as Albanians, and it is as irrelevant here as discussion of hte Iberian peninsula is on Georgians and vice versa merely because they also had the same name at one point. It is also irrelevant of the fact that ethnic Scots are refered to as Albani in Latin. --Calthinus (talk) 18:34, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I second Calthinus. This article is not an archive of everything written in books. Only encyclopedic material that suits the context of this article is of value here. Ktrimi991 (talk) 18:37, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sine there are many academic articles about Albania and Albanians of Caucasus, it is encyclopedic by definition. It probably deserves a separate article. I suppose the Balkan Albanians do not have the copyright of the term.--Skylax30 (talk) 19:19, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It probably deserves a separate article. I suppose the Balkan Albanians do not have the copyright of the term. Yeah, after that the creation of such as article would need to be discussed at the proper venues and the result could be a topic ban for you, as it would not be the first time you create articles to avoid reaching consensus with other editors. Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:23, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, actually there is an article about it. Caucasian Albania. Of course, you can request a quick deletion and a topic ban for all who contributed.--Skylax30 (talk) 19:28, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Caucasian Albania is a very good article in line with Wiki policies. The imaginary article you mentioned above would be a reason for sanctions. Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:58, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I can only grin -- the idea that entire nations are even capable of having "copyright" over something is preposterous :). Reminds me of a great conversation I had recently on the talk page of Ktrimi991 :) :) :).--Calthinus (talk) 03:09, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Calthinus: Welcome to Disneyland of Europe :-) Ktrimi991 (talk) 05:44, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Quelle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special%3ADiff%2F866351791