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Hi Tvx1, Can you please tell me minimum how many reference links should be there for new article creation? Is there any terms or conditions for this? I have seen some other articles which have very few links but still it'll be there on space. for example: "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingenta" So, can you please explain me this how and why? And also please guide me if someone like me want to create article which have very few sources or one could not find it but whatever information and knowledge individuals have they want to go with that then what are the suggestions from your end?

Just a heads-up (in case you're not already aware!). The page has been copied to User:Rowde/Formula One on Fox. He has done this before with articles that have either been rejected or XfD'd (and been counselled about it). Previously, he's moved some of them to mainspace again later probably trying to 'game' the system. Or to give the benefit of the doubt, he just wants to preserve the content maybe. There's also Draft:Formula One on ABC, Draft:Formula One on CBS, Draft:Formula One on ESPN and Draft:Formula One on Sky 'lurking' about in various stages of work in progress. Eagleash (talk) 21:27, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Draft:Indycar on BT, Draft:Indycar on ESPN and User:Rowde/BBC F1 TV Schedule. Eagleash (talk) 18:40, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Tvx1,

Your recent edits to the 2017 F1 season article has had some unintended consequences; the nowraps have stopped working and everything is out of alignment on mobile devices and tablets. I can't find the root cause - do you mind taking a look at it please? Prisonermonkeys (talk) 20:21, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My edits have nothing to do with it. It seems to have stopped working altogether on all articles.Tvx1 20:44, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I just spotted it. It's a very recent thing, because the templates were working just fine when the numbers were updated, but stopped working before your edits. I've reported it to VPT. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 21:38, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I agree with you, he is British, however....my revert was simply to the status quo as I understand it and to ask the ip addie to open a talkpage discussion, which I did... there are abnormalities here on this wiki and hero figures like Murray are protected with great nationalistic fervor. If you like please open a chat on the talkpage, although I very much doubt the consensus will change, regards Govindaharihari (talk) 16:11, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is an ongoing discussion on Murray's talk page which I opened. Having strolled to the many talk page archives for Andy Murray, I wasn't able to find anything that actually demonstrates a consensus for the current version. I reverted you because your rationale was wrong. Andy Murray is equally out and proud British. The nationality section in his article point that out. He was the flag bearer of the Union Jack at the opening ceremony of the Rio Olympics and sang along to the "God Save the Queen" after winning the gold medal. He also helped Great Britain win the Davis Cup (an event which I attended). The reality is that for tennis players, the more relevant and notable nationality is British. They compete under the British flag and for British national anthems (e.g. in the Davis, Fed and Hopman Cup). Considering the nationality field on Andy's passport states "British" he belongs to those players who play for Great Britain. At present, Andy Murray's article is the only one on a British tennis player not introducing the player in question as British.Tvx1 16:33, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• that talk chat is stagnant and minor and over since 3 months without any outcome or much participation Govindaharihari (talk) 19:19, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Try to understand, it actually does not matter at all - I support British but I can and have easily reverted an ip to Scottish - and nothing changes - its nit picking worthless - forget about it, so many will come to change it Govindaharihari (talk) 19:25, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If you have a clear opinion for either side, then why don't you simply contribute it to the talk page discussion?Tvx1 21:04, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tvx1, your watch on this page, and jumping in to repeatedly re-revert alterations to the nationality, when you already know that there is no consensus for changing it, is disruptive and could be considered long-term edit warring. Edit warring policy applies even to those who carefully avoid WP:3RR.

Your argument of there being no consensus for it being "Scottish" is inaccurate, and irrelevant. What matters is if there is consensus for changing it to "British"? There is not. And so, in line with guidelines written for exactly this situation, it should remain as is.

Other that that, the rest of your arguments in support of changing it are old news. They have been discussed at length before. Repeatedly. This is an article about a notable person, who happens to be a tennis player. It is not a record of his passport or citizenship. He can be both nationalities, as he has personally stated more than once, and so the article strives to reflect that. Eradicating "Scottish" from the lead clearly unbalances the article. Your tally of flag waving does not outweigh his own self-identification. What works for other articles is not a reason for changing this one. Do not enforce uniformity. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 22:52, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My argument about the consensus is not inaccurate at all. If it were, you would have been able to point to a discussion demonstrating it by now. I'm not striving to "enforce uniformity" by any means, so please stop accusing me of that. That essay isn't a trump card you can use to override anyone labeling a British person as British on wikipedia. What matters is how a person is notable. 90% of the times he appears in the media (and nearly 100% of the times in press from outside the UK), he is present as a British tennis player. Therefore introducing him in the opening sentence as "Scottish" is simply giving undue weight to that "nationality". His passport nationality is British and the UK is the sovereign state he represents in his professional activities. I have already given your more than enough examples of him proudly identifying as British. The nationality section gives his Scottish identity its due weight. Lastly, you cannot act as if anyone needs your personal permission to make a change to the article.Tvx1 15:43, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe I have ever questioned his "proudly identifying as British". He identifies as both. The article attempts to reflect that. You say you are not attempting to enforce uniformity, and yet you constantly make reference to what appears on other articles, as if to suggest this article should be in line with them. That's the definition of uniformity. What makes Murray notable is his standing in Tennis. It is not his nationality. However, what has been notable throughout his career, is discussion of his nationality. Yet you want the lead to be erased of any suggestion of his Scottish identity because you don't understand its significance. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 21:30, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

By constantly overvaluing his "proudly identifying as Scottish" you are questioning at least the level of his Britishness. I'm not attempting to "enforce" uniformity for the sake of having uniformity. My priority is not having all articles on UK people introducing all of them as British. My priority is describing a person as they appear to us in real life. I have never suggested to erase any suggestion of his Scottish identity from the article or even from the lead. Lastly, you're the one not quite understanding the significance of it because you are constantly overrating the significance of his Scottishness in complete ignorance of how this person is constantly presented to us in real life.Tvx1 14:01, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, you know how we have details of the champions in Template:F1 season? I'm wondering if the same information can be added to Template:Motorsport season, because I think that it would be really useful to have on any season article. But I don't know how to update the template; every time I try, I make a mess of it. Do you think that you could take a look at it for me? Prisonermonkeys (talk) 06:14, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi you did see that I put this question to an RFC further down the Andy Murray British tennis player or Scottish tennis player RfC.--Navops47 (talk) 13:34, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I have contributes as well. Many thanks for the effort. Tvx1 14:12, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your welcome.--Navops47 (talk) 16:04, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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No, I did not revert the wrong thing. I was reverting his disruptive editing again. I don't know why I'm banging my head against that wall for no reason...  {MordeKyle}  ☢ 21:33, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand what you're complaining about. "Had to" is actually better wording.Tvx1 22:20, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's pretty obvious that MordeKyle is editing based on who had previously worked on the page rather than what is in the interests of the article. A few days ago, I reverted some edits about the German Grand Prix with the comment that there was nothing particularly wrong with the original wording; indeed, I felt that it was stronger because the sentence flowed a little more smoothly. Some time after changing "must" to "had to" under the Imola dot point, MordeKyle reverted it with the comment that there was nothing particularly wrong with the original wording — it was exactly the same comment I had made when I restored the original version of the German Grand Prix dot point. It's pretty obvious that he's trying to throw my words back at me for no other reason than because I am the one making the edits, which is a violation of WP:AGF. It's little more than tit-for-tat editing, trying to settle a previous score. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 23:07, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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