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:For what it's worth, I was only half following the merge discussion at the VP, and had no preference either way so didn't comment. I tend to do everything manually and am not familiar at all with how the bots do that thing they do. Happy to defer to others with respect to this kind of thing. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 02:23, 28 October 2015 (UTC) |
:For what it's worth, I was only half following the merge discussion at the VP, and had no preference either way so didn't comment. I tend to do everything manually and am not familiar at all with how the bots do that thing they do. Happy to defer to others with respect to this kind of thing. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 02:23, 28 October 2015 (UTC) |
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:As to the changes with Twinkle: Have the changes all ready in sandbox pages before AnomieBOT is updated. I think we should ask Anomie to make them live when his bot is ready. [[User:Od Mishehu|עוד מישהו]] [[User talk:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 04:07, 28 October 2015 (UTC) |
:As to the changes with Twinkle: Have the changes all ready in sandbox pages before AnomieBOT is updated. I think we should ask Anomie to make them live when his bot is ready. [[User:Od Mishehu|עוד מישהו]] [[User talk:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 04:07, 28 October 2015 (UTC) |
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*This procedure seems OK to me, although I think the "Deletion"-->"Discussion" transition can happen before the bot and Twinkle changes.[[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 14:16, 28 October 2015 (UTC) |
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Personal deletion request
I requested deletion or changing licences to CC BY-NC-ND of those photos; https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Emin_Kul.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Heart_Of_Istanbul_From_Air.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Levent_%282011%29.jpg on 23 August 2015, nobody contacted to me and images are still there, what should I do?
--Ail Subway (talk) 21:03, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Discussion at WP:VPPROP
There is currently an ongoing discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) on whether or not Wikipedia:Non-free content review's functionality should be merged into WP:FFD and then WP:NFCR shut down. Steel1943 (talk) 22:20, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
Orphaned files with {{Keep local}} tag
A couple of nominations closed recently regarding File:Citizens' Trust Company Building.JPG and File:Clark County Courthouse Indiana 002.JPG - there are other examples. These are files that were tagged with {{Keep local}} by the uploader years ago, but are no longer used in any Wikipedia articles. The debates were closed as "keep" because of the Keep Local tag. I'm wondering if there's any real policy reason to keep copies of these types of images on the local project. The current presumption seems to default to "keep" even if nobody defends retention of the file.
I've run across other situations where the uploader of images with the "Keep local" tag has obviously retired or been absent for years. In those cases is it all right for any editor to remove the tag?
Any clarification/insight is appreciated. Kelly hi! 08:31, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
- Discussion moved to Wikipedia talk:Deletion process. Kelly hi! 08:54, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
{{PD-Pre1978}} and {{PD-US-no notice}} have been nominated for discussion under WP:TfD -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 08:00, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Notice of upcoming move of this page to Wikipedia:Files for discussion
There has been consensus to move Wikipedia:Files for deletion to Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Part of this consensus includes merging the functionality of Wikipedia:Non-free content review into this page. Consensus for this change can be found here (on WP:VPPROP). (This notice is placed here instead of making an immediate change since this change affects multiple bots and gadgets like Twinkle.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:07, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
Discussion regarding updating FFD to accommodate the NFCR merge
As stated above, there has been consensus formed in a closed discussion on WP:VPPROP that was advertised on both WT:FFD and WT:NFCR, as well as renaming Wikipedia:Files for deletion to Wikipedia:Files for discussion. The question now is ... how can this be accomplished? Here's the order that this probably needs to be done, considering that this change affects two other related items that need to be updated at some point to avoid "breaking things": Twinkle's functionality and AnomieBOT's tasks (since it updates and creates WP:FFD and its daily subpages):
- Update the instructions on WP:FFD to include a description of how to utilize this forum for tasks that were formerly handled by WP:NFCR;
- Mark NFCR historical, referring editors to FFD to start discussions that were formerly handled by NFCR
- Note: During this transition, all active discussions on NFCR before it being marked historical should remain there until they are closed; the explanation on how to participate in NFCR discussions, as well as how to close them, should remain there until all discussions are closed. In my opinion, dumping the over 100 discussions currently on NFCR into a daily subpage of FFD makes no sense as it seems very disruptive. Once all of NFCR's discussions are closed, NFCR could then be updated again to declare it officially closed (as opposed to redirecting it to FFD since NFCR has a discussion archive);
- Updating Twinkle to remove the NFCR option from its menus while adding an explanation of the FFD option about the function that FFD now handles that NFCR used to previously. (This will prevent further discussions from unintentionally being posted on NFCR by Twinkle);
- AnomieBOT's tasks would need to be updated to at least start naming new subpages as "Files for discussion" instead of "Files for deletion", as well as having AnomieBOT re-tasked to update the transclusions of the daily log pages on "Wikipedia:Files for discussion" instead of "Wikipedia:Files for deletion"; At the present time, Wikipedia:Files for discussion exists as a redirect to Wikipedia:Files for deletion, so that may help with making this transition smoother if the bot edits the target of the redirect instead of the redirect itself. (This is just my high-level understanding of what would need to be done to the bot to accommodate this change; the bot owner will have a better idea what will need to happen here);
- Almost immediately after the bot is updated, Twinkle will need to be updated to rename the FFD option from "Files for deletion" to "Files for discussion" to avoid any misplaced discussions;
- Instructions on FFD should now be updated to accommodate the "deletion" to "discussion" name change (especially templates used in FFD);
- Wikipedia:Files for deletion should now be able to be safely moved to Wikipedia:Files for discussion, as well as any applicable FFD archive links updated.
How does this look? Am I missing anything, or is any of this in the wrong order? Steel1943 (talk) 01:57, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- Pinging participants in the VPPROP discussion (Masem—Od Mishehu—Future Perfect at Sunrise—BethNaught—Jo-Jo Eumerus—Sfan00 IMG—Oiyarbepsy—Stefan2). Pinging some FFD and NFCR regulars not mentioned yet (Kelly—Marchjuly). Pinging editors who I have seen update Twinkle in the past (MusikAnimal—This, that and the other). Pinging Anomie (the editor who runs AnomieBOT). Steel1943 (talk) 02:09, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- There's at least one template that would have to be deprecated ({{non-free review}}). My suggestion is make the "Deletion" to "Discussion" transition first and make sure there's no bot issues and then we should then mark NFCR historical and move from there. --MASEM (t) 02:12, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @Masem: Regarding the FFD page move, it probably could be done whenever, but in my opinion, only after there is confirmation that AnomieBOT's edits on Wikipedia:Files for deletion will follow a redirect instead of overwriting a redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 02:17, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- If we're changing "files for deletion" to "files for discussion", where would that leave WP:PUF? Kelly hi! 02:15, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Kelly: In the discussion, merging PUF into this as well was mentioned, but there was no consensus to do so. (The discussion was also closed stating that this suggestion may need to be discussed in a separate discussion.) Steel1943 (talk) 02:19, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, I was only half following the merge discussion at the VP, and had no preference either way so didn't comment. I tend to do everything manually and am not familiar at all with how the bots do that thing they do. Happy to defer to others with respect to this kind of thing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:23, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- As to the changes with Twinkle: Have the changes all ready in sandbox pages before AnomieBOT is updated. I think we should ask Anomie to make them live when his bot is ready. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 04:07, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
- This procedure seems OK to me, although I think the "Deletion"-->"Discussion" transition can happen before the bot and Twinkle changes.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:16, 28 October 2015 (UTC)