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• This page needs to be rewritten to incorporate the new words written in the Dene/Chipewyan language.
• Does the paragraph in Dene translate the previous paragraph? If so it should be noted. Perhaps with (Dene translation) written at the end of the paragraph.
• Does Bëghą́nı̨ch’ërë mean Patuanak or English River? On the Patuanak, Saskatchewan page it is written that Patuanak in Dene sounds like Boni Cheri. Is that the same as Bëghą́nı̨ch’ërë. Maybe we can write the word then the translation like the following: ..... Patuanak ( Bëghą́nı̨ch’ërë) ....... Kayoty 07:22, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't belong in an English Wikipedia, especially without translation; I put it in the section below for archiving purposes. Patuanak and other items should be linked, they never should have been bolded the way they were. Quite a few others terms here can be linked, or redirected.Skookum1 (talk) 05:32, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know why this was on there, or what it says, saving it here for "posterity". This is not a Denesuline-language Wikipedia.Skookum1 (talk) 05:29, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yúnısı dënesųłı̨ne t’ąt’ú harálɂá nı̨sı́ nǫ́k’ë dzıkërëdaı́ łı̨nı̨, łą hánëłt’éhılé nı̨, sı̨ne chu xáıye k’ëtł’a nǫ́k’é nąnëhóɂá nuhënęnę k’ëyaghë. Náralzé, tsádhëdh kádánı̨dhën chu łué hu horëlyų t’á ɂá ɂëhëná sı́ há kádánı̨dhën nı̨.

Kú t’óho tsádhëdh dëne nı̨déł hu, dënesųłı̨ne hotıé yët’orı̨łthér nı̨, hóbëtł’ësı́ tsádhëdh hëtł’él hıjá nı̨ ɂá, dënesųłı̨ne háı̨dël nı̨ ɂëłótsëlı́ hots’ęn. Ku ɂëdırı t’á dënesųłı̨ne ɂená chu ɂëłá ɂëłk’ënádé t’ąt’é nı t’ok’e náradé nare dësnëdhe k’eyaghë chu tunëdhë narë, yunısı kąt’ú dëne húdéł nı̨.

I suspect it's a translation of the preceding in-English paragraph.Skookum1 (talk) 05:29, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User:Nordendene published the "Allan Adam paper 2013" on Thanadeltth'er and the Dene Suline. User:Nordendene also seems to be the author of the paper as in a previous edit January 30, 2013 he refers to his website at *Official website with the comment (I have ıncluded dëne names of communıtıes and ınserted some of the outlınes ınto dëne yatıe. I have also included my web site link for people to refer to for free language services. Marsı tchogh). So this does not appear to be a copyright violation. .Kayoty 05:09, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

• Chipewyan people → Chipewyan
• Mi'kmaq people → Mi'kmaq
• Nisga'a people → Nisga'a
• Haida people → Haida
• Gitxsan people → Gitxsan
• Haisla people → Haisla
• Heiltsuk people → Heiltsuk
• Nuxalk people → Nuxalk
• Kaska people → Kaska
• Nuu-chah-nulth people → Nuu-chah-nulth
• Sekani people → Sekani
• Sinixt people → Sinixt
• Sto:lo people → Sto:lo
• Tahltan people → Tahltan
• Tsimshian people → Tsimshian
• Tlingit people → Tlingit
• Hän people → Hän
• Northern Tutchone people → Northern Tutchone
• Southern Tutchone people → Southern Tutchone
• Tagish people → Tagish
• Ahtna people → Ahtna
• Alutiiq people → Alutiiq
• Aleut people → Aleut
• Auke people → Auke
• Dena'ina people → Dena'ina
• Eyak people → Eyak
• Holikachuk people → Holikachuk
• Inupiat people → Inupiat
• Taku people → Taku
• Koyukon people → Koyukon

– Most of these were originally at their stand-alone name as proposed; the addition of "people" is unnecessary as being against "conciseness" per naming guidelines (i.e. unnecessarily long). Re this first one listed, and in many others, the rationale given was "vs. lang per naming conv." though I can find no such naming convention stating that a people's language is of equally PRIMARYTOPIC or MOSTCOMMON re the people's name. In some cases the target page is already a disambiguation page; in those cases I have also added a move-to-disambiguation RM, when I am aware of them. In all cases where these are the main article for an FN or tribal category, the category name is also stand-alone; and many have "FOO people" subcategories for "people who are FOO", which makes the main article title at conflict with that, and with the usual context of "FOO people". Some I have avoided, such as Okanagan people (now at RM to move to Syilx and Squamish people (failed RM to move it to Skwxwu7mesh but still at CfD because of the overwhelming name conflict with the town of Squamish, British Columbia - Squamish is a disambiguation page currently also with an active RM; another I have avoided is Couer d'Alene. Some with "FOO tribe" are not for federally recognized tribes, e.g. Androscoggin tribe; in some cases they now belong to a federally recognized tribe e.g. the Nespelem tribe who are part of the Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation, which is their federally-recognized tribe. So far I have covered all Canadian provinces and territories and six US states, other cases like this abound and IMO were all unnecessary and in some cases Mi'kmaq needless disambiguation pages were created, some of which I have already dealt with e.g. by redirecting Chipewyan from the two-item dab page that was created to Chipewyan people. In cases like Entiat and Walla Walla, with counties and towns named for them, I have added RMs for moving those pages. This multiple RM is the tip of the iceberg and is a consequence of piecemeal and often willy-nilly addition of "people" or "tribe" where the addition was unnecessary; in the case of the Chinook rather than tear up the Chinook disambiguation page to Chinook (disambiguation) I have proposed Tsinuk which is their preferred modern spelling, coined to distinguish from the other uses of that name. Some of these may not pass, but the rest I believe the case is clear that the addition of "people" to "FOO" was completely unnecessary and has resulted in awkward complications re subcategories of main ethno categories and, given that the standard for "FOO people" is "persons who are FOO", conflicts in a big way with naming conventions in that regard.

• Oh, only 30 of the 106 in my submission went through; I'll do a few more multi-RMs later today, and may complete the list continent-wide in short order. Skookum1 (talk) 09:12, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. These names are generally ambiguous. Should "Wyandot" be the Wyandot people, the Wyandot Nation, or the Wyandot language? We've had this debate before, and decided on being specific. Also, category names are utterly irrelevant. We can name them after articles if we like, but there's no reason to name articles after categories. "Tsinuk" is also a bad idea: The overwhelmingly COMMONNAME is "Chinook". Practically no-one's going to recognize "Tsinuk". — kwami (talk) 10:30, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. Adding people to the title is needed especially for small groups of people. It is also used in the following titles: French people, English people, Sami people......Kayoty 17:50, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose. Too much ambiguity and too many other things--rivers, mountains, lakes, etc. use these names.--Mike Cline (talk) 21:22, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]