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In current page as of 31 July 2012, all except three sort as text, even though many of them are labeled numerical. The three that sort as currency are the ones with $, €, and £. The ¥ sorts as text. I have verified this behavior on Windows 7 Professional running IE9 and Chrome20. NONE of the examples sorts numerically. I've submitted this as a bug as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mwengler (talk • contribs) 18:22, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have started a wikitable using this format and I'm way over my head now. I want to display the endorsements for presidential candidates in the GOP 2012 race. Check it here Endorsements for the Republican Party presidential primaries, 2012 Unfortunately, the numbers are easier to place than the names. I want to put the names in collapsible rows so people can read the numbers and verify the endorsements by checking a row below. Please help. :-< --Screwball23 talk 02:58, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think that my question is very simple but I couldn't find the answer myself... Is it possible to add some parameter that with one click table would be sorted in a descending order? Niktute (talk) 22:43, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I do not understand. Is there a particular table you are trying to do this on? Can you link to it? Maybe a sandbox page on one of your user subpages. User:Niktute/Sandbox2

Columns are sorted by clicking the sorting icon. It alternates between ascending and descending. So sometimes it takes 2 clicks. --Timeshifter (talk) 10:24, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, now it takes two clicks and it works very well... But I was interested maybe it's possible to set some parameter (because ususaly there is one) that I would get the same result with one click?

i.e. if the table is about the number of victories for some players, then ascending order is not realy interesting. Niktute (talk) 21:26, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Like Timeshifter, I do not understand the question. If the natural order of a table is descending by victories, creating the table that way seems the simplest solution. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think I understand the question and — if I do — it is whether there is an option to control whether a given column of a table is in ascendending or descending order when the page loads. — Robert Greer (talk) 03:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I made table sortable because there are a lot of columns that may be interesting to sort by. So, initialy I sorted my table by one column and users themselves can sort by others... now for some columns ir takes one click to make an "interesting" sorting but for other columns user needs to click twice. As I said, it's not a problem but it would be more elegant if I can set a pereferable order of sorting. Niktute (talk) 11:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is a problem while sorting the "HS" column in this article. A few en-dashes come before "0". I'm unable to figure out the problem. Any help will be much appreciated. —Commander _{(Ping me)} 17:15, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think the asterisks/stars (*) beside some of the entries in that column are causing the problem. What is the * for (I can't seem to find a footnote to match it)? Cheers! Facts707 (talk) 19:52, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

On closer look, it looks like the problem has already been solved. Facts707 (talk) 20:03, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, all. I can't seem to get the table at List of countries by net international investment position to order by the "NIIP in % GDP" column as numeric - it always sorts it as characters instead.

All the entries in that column are numeric. Some have a leading plus sign, leading minus, and/or a leading zero, and many have references. But this should not bother the numeric sorting.

Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Facts707 (talk) 19:49, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's the references. These are not numeric data, so cause the cells in which they are placed to be considered as text; and so the column as a whole is sorted as text. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:23, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I was working with List of maria on the Moon. Is there any reasonable way to sort latitude and longitude numerically instead of alphabetically? For example, getting it to treat °N as a negative number and °S as positive so the list would start with the northernmost entry and end with the most southerly. Thanks! Aubri (talk) 18:52, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You might try to manually enter appropriate sort terms as non-displaying data. I have used the template {{Hs}} for this; there may be others. I would enter every latitude/longitude value in the following fashion:

{| class="wikitable sortable"
! Latin name
! Lat.
! Long.
|-
| [[Mare Anguis]]
|align="right"|{{Hs|-226}} 22.6° N
|align="right"|{{Hs|677}} 67.7° E
|-
| [[Mare Australe]]
|align="right"|{{Hs|389}} 38.9° S
|align="right"|{{Hs|930}} 93.0° E
|-
| [[Mare Cognitum]]
|align="right"|{{Hs|100}} 10.0° S
|align="right"|{{Hs|-231}} 23.1° W
|-
| [[Mare Crisium]]
|align="right"|{{Hs|-170}} 17.0° N
|align="right"|{{Hs|591}} 59.1° E
|}

Good luck. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:00, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I was trying to use a sortable table with one of the headers extending the length of the table. Here is the table: User:B2project/sandbox2

I'd like to keep the table sortable so I can change the order to determine leaders and would like to keep the break in it to clean up the table but I can't seem to get the header row to extend the rest of the table. Does anyone know if this is possible? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

♣ B2project ♣^(Talk) 23:18, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The table is sortable, but dunno why, but the "sorting symbol" is not displayed, simply click next to the cell description and it sorts correctly. I will dig around if I can find the problem why this symbol is not displayed correctly. mabdul 20:09, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As noted above at #Styles in headers break sorting?, the workaround is to use 'background-color' instead of 'background', but this only works for the red cells, the arrows are the same black color as the black background you are using. Perhaps change from black to something dark instead? Elizium23 (talk) 20:42, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see this was answered a couple of years ago, but in case anything has changed I'll ask again:

is there a way to make a particular row sort to the bottom on a particular column both when the sort is ascending and when it's descending?

I want to include a "X see Y" crossref in column 1, which is a list of names of hills where just a couple have two names, but I then don't want "X" to have any content in the other cols and want it to sort down to the bottom. Can it be done? (The Outlying Fells of Lakeland, "Cartmel Fell see Raven's Barrow", if you're interested in the exact example). PamD 14:31, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To do that you'd need to ensure that it has both the highest value of the set and the lowest value. Unless every value in the set is identical, this is a logical impossibility. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:53, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've replaced the section "Initial alphabetical sort versus initial sort by rank order" because it was suggesting people remove rank columns and sort lists alphabetically, because it would make the list easier to update. This is inappropriate as it suggests removing a useful feature for readers in order to accommodate to editors. I have instead put together a how-to on updating lists sorted by rank. Pristino (talk) 11:25, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And I reverted your removal of longstanding info. Feel free to create a new section on maintaining rank order. --Timeshifter (talk) 12:28, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And in the process you removed what I had just added. I've since restored that information without removing yours, even though I disagree with it. Pristino (talk) 00:36, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It can be difficult and time consuming to figure out which edits to revert. Or to go back to an old revision, copy wikitext, and paste in the new page. Maybe if I had more time available yesterday I might have done that. --Timeshifter (talk) 07:30, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm having some issues with a sortable table that I'm working on here. It looks nice, but it doesn't sort! I also tried this, which looks good at the beginning, but once it's sorted, the pictures move with the Snake River row and mess up the formatting. Anyway, what I'm trying to do is have a functional sortable table with images on the right side that don't move at all. Any thoughts? Thanks, LittleMountain5 14:58, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's possible (or desirable) to have a table where one column stays static whilst the others are sorted. Having a second, parallel table springs to mind as an alternative solution but it would be ugly and I don't know if it's technically possible. If you really have to have this column of thumbnails on the right (I'm concerned that it's more decorative than informative) perhaps put them in a Template:Sidebar (or some similar template) and transclude that next to the table? bobrayner (talk) 15:17, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You're probably right. I'll fool around with it some more, but I'll probably end up doing something like this. Ah well, thanks. LittleMountain5 15:29, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good luck. Have fun! bobrayner (talk) 17:24, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I used a workaround by taking the images out of the table and using two columns instead. It seems to work, but it might lead to accessibility issues down the road... we'll see. LittleMountain5 23:09, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Currently, this help document explicitly states "References and reference notes after numbers do not break numerical sorting of a column. See: List of sovereign states by public debt.". However, when I was trying to fix a sorting issue with a table, the only way I can seem to make it work is to take out the references. The example given also doesn't actually seem to have any references. Am I missing something, or is the advice simply wrong? 80 Ursae Majoris (talk) 21:17, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I removed that link. It currently does not have any clickable references directly after numbers. What table are you working on? There are many things that can break numerical sorting. Do not waste your time trying to make date columns sort. That is broken last time I checked. Year-only columns will sort if done correctly. --Timeshifter (talk) 02:38, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References after numbers currently break numerical sorting of a column. See discussion and example farther down. I corrected the info in Help:Sorting in the section for numerical sorting problems. --Timeshifter (talk) 07:54, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am unable to make the static column work on List of chess grandmasters - it appears to have a limit of 200? I've also posted on that template's talk page, so please rather answer there so that anyone else looking can find it one place. Greenman (talk) 21:23, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The list Talk:List of college football coaches with 30 seasons has a sorting issue that I cannot seem to solve. Can someone peek at it please?--Paul McDonald (talk) 17:30, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Two sections up from here is a complaint that references prevent numeric sorting, and I think you are running into the same problem. The only way I could make the "Wins" column sort numerically was to remove the footnote from "Joe Paterno". I hope there's a better solution from that. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:58, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like you are right. Compare these versions:

Without reference in "Wins" column:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_college_football_coaches_with_30_seasons&oldid=472926090

With reference in "Wins" column:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_college_football_coaches_with_30_seasons&oldid=504184911

When one clicks the sort button the version with the reference does not sort correctly.

I corrected the info in Help:Sorting in the section for numerical sorting problems. --Timeshifter (talk) 07:51, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• • Interesting, the Paterno footnotes were added after the sourt problem was detected.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:34, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In athletics results pages in events with multiple heats like the first table in 2009 Asian Athletics Championships – Men's 100 metres it is useful to sort the table by heats (2nd column) to see the results of each individual run but at the same time it should retain sorting by rank (1st column). Is there any way to achieve this? It should be noted that Heat 1 is always sorted this way, but in all others the sorting is semi-random. All such tables used to work properly in the past, but now they don't. Pietaster (talk) 12:28, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Help:Sorting#Secondary_key —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 12:42, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Moved from Wikipedia:Village pump (technical).

I thought I was getting the hang of sortable tables, but the table in User:Sphilbrick/sandbox isn't sorting the Diameter or Age columns correctly. Can anyone see what I did wrong?--SPhilbrick(Talk) 18:34, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see various problems. See Help:Sorting. You will get more help though at Help talk:Sorting. --Timeshifter (talk) 18:55, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What, for example, did you see? I've read Help:sorting. Unless I'm missing something, that page is dated; it talks about the kludgey span style option, which I used years ago, but doesn't even mention the sort template--SPhilbrick(Talk) 19:00, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Try putting leading zeros into the sort value of {{sort}} to make them all 4 digit numbers. NtheP (talk) 19:24, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, just realized that. How crude.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 19:29, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See Help:Sorting#Numerical sorting problems and the last few sections of Help talk:Sorting. --Timeshifter (talk) 21:41, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

As both columns contain ranges then they will be treated as alpha sorts and need the leading zeros. NtheP (talk) 21:49, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Can we move this whole discussion to Help talk:Sorting where it will help a lot more people? Also, I have no clue how to do what you are talking about with {{sort}}. I haven't studied it enough. Can you link to a page with a table with a number column with ranges that works with it? --Timeshifter (talk) 22:16, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've no objection to moving this wherever you want. Sphilbrick's original example contains ranges and uses {{sort}}. NtheP (talk) 22:19, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(unindent). OK. I see now. A number column using {{sort}} is actually using an alphabetical sort due to the use of characters other than numbers. Thus the need for the same number of characters in the sort value throughout the column. I added some info about {{sort}} to Help:Sorting#Numerical sorting problems. I linked to this discussion. Feel free to clarify the info there, here, and in the documentation for the template: Template:Sort/doc. --Timeshifter (talk) 04:16, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Now that HTML5 is enabled, data-sort-value will now work:

{|class="wikitable sortable"
!Name and Surname!!Height
|-
|data-sort-value="Smith, John"|John Smith||1.85
|-
|data-sort-value="Ray, Ian"|Ian Ray||1.89
|-
|data-sort-value="Bianchi, Zachary"|Zachary Bianchi||1.72
|-
!Average:||1.82
|}

---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 18:26, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the notification. This now resolves the issue mentioned earlier (Help talk:Sorting/Archive 4#Attribute data-sort-value). I've implemented it (again) at List of plays by Nestroy. It also seems that dates written as "dd month yyyy" are sorted properly – mirabile visu. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:38, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What also works is data-sort-type btw. This forces a column, to use a specific type of sort algorithm. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 06:14, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

{|class="wikitable sortable"
!Name and Surname!! data-sort-type="date" | Height

Beware though. There might still be a chance that HTML5 will be disabled, so I wouldn't start converting tables too quickly. No rush. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 06:14, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Since the novel attributes are utilised by JavaScript (not directly interpreted by the browser layout engine), does that mean that !data-sort-type and |data-sort-value will now work on all JavaScript-enabled browsers, even IE6+? (Assuming that HTML5 is not reverted.) — Richardguk (talk) 21:43, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above sorting works with Windows XP and Internet Explorer 6. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 23:36, 20 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(unindent). Is HTML 5 still enabled? Assuming that HTML 5 remains enabled where is there detailed info on data-sort-type?

Also on date sorting. Help:Sorting#Dates and meta:Help:Sorting#Dates have little info. meta:Help:Sorting#Dates says: "On English Wikipedias dates are treated as US-Dates (eg. month-day-year) per default." --Timeshifter (talk) 20:04, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Finally found it at meta:Help:Sorting:

data-sort-type

• text
• number
• date
• IPAddress
• currency
• url
• isoDate
• usLongDate
• time

The first three are documented at meta:Help:Sorting, but I don't see them in the jquery.tablesorter.js source. But that is on SVN— I will have to poke around on GIT and see if that is the current version. Hmmmm... how do I know what version is installed? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 20:49, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And yes, HTML5 is still enabled. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 20:55, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just checked the rendered HTML and that is the current version. It is based on the http://tablesorter.com code. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 21:10, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Is this ready to be included in the Help:Sorting page? Any volunteers? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:20, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I added some info about data-sort-type to the section on numerical sorting problems. Much more needs to be done. I can not find much info about data-sort-type. I found some info about various forks of tablesorter:

• http://tablesorter.com/docs/ - Version: 2.0.5.
• http://mottie.github.com/tablesorter/docs/ - Version: 2.4 (forked from version 2.0.5).

I haven't read those pages in detail yet. I found this linked from there:

• Disable or set the column parser using jQuery data.

That page says: "NOTE! This functionality was added in version 2.2.3 (it is not part of the original plugin)." It uses data-sorter in table headers at the level of the HTML. It looks like MediaWiki is using data-sort-type instead. That is what I see in the source code for this page with some example tables: User:Timeshifter/Sandbox27. --Timeshifter (talk) 13:12, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Our version is a fork of tablesorter.com btw. Just so that is clear. And yes, we use data-sort-type. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 08:43, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a way to sort ordinal numbers so they appear in numerical order? Because of the addition of alpha characters, on many Category pages they appear as 10th, 100th, 101st, 102d, 11th, 1st . . . (not as 1st, 10th, 11th, 100th, 101st, 102d . . . Lineagegeek (talk) 14:14, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Help:Sorting is about table sorting. Category sorting is a completely different feature. See Wikipedia:Categorization#Sort keys. If all numbers are below 1000 then you can for example place a space in the sort key for two digit numbers so they sort before all 3-digit numbers. For 1-digit numbers the sort key can be the digit and nothing else if you want it listed first under the digit. You could also consider sort keys with a leading 0 so 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 are listed sequentially under the "0" heading. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:09, 18 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The stats section of 2005 Nebraska Cornhuskers baseball team doesn't sort. Can someone fix it and tell me what I am missing. I have tried 50 different things. Thundrplaya (talk) 03:42, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed with this edit. Tables can only sort if the software knows there is a row of headers, and the headers have to be marked with exclamation marks rather than pipes. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:12, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The table sorting function appears to be broken. (Took me about an hour looking for where I had screwed up on a table I was editing last night before I went to look at existing articles with known sortable tables, to find that none are sortable any longer...)
André Kritzinger 14:34, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Looks like it's been repaired - sorting is sorting again.
André Kritzinger 17:33, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Is there any way to change the sort arrow colors from the default black?

Thanks. Synthesized designs (talk) 14:58, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 16:43, 31 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Having a bit of problem with the sorting of the Album column in the table. Its not sorting alphabetically and this is after adding the {{sort}} in an attempt to force it to do so. I'm at a loss to why it is doing this, so any help/solution would be greatly appreciated. NapHit (talk) 22:52, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is working okay for me. The lack of sortability on Writer(s) seems odd, but otherwise it looks good. —EncMstr (talk) 23:20, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm its still not working for me. Everything is New is sorting above Consolers of the Lonely for instance, when it should be C first then E. NapHit (talk) 23:38, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oops! You are correct: the Album is not sorting correctly. (I checked the other columns the first time, but when I saw a whole lot of numbers, I didn't check further.)

I looked at the HTML but did not see anything amiss. I don't understand why it does not sort properly. —EncMstr (talk) 23:55, 1 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Columns with numbers in the first row(s) (such as the album title "21") are assumed to be numeric, so the sorter gets confused when it finds further rows containing text.

There is a new way to tell the table sorter what type of data a column contains: adding a data-sort-type="..." attribute to the column header.

I've added data-sort-type="text" and the sorting now seems to work.

The attribute is documented on the meta wiki at m:Help:Sorting#Sort modes. Valid values are text, number, IPAddress, currency, url, isoDate, usLongDate, date, or time.

Though the new attribute is mentioned in the examples on this wiki using data-sort-type="date" and data-sort-type="number", Help:Sorting would benefit from being updated so that readers did not have to check meta for the full list of types.

— Richardguk (talk) 02:57, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the solution and explanation, much appreciated. NapHit (talk) 12:53, 2 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Richardguk. Feel free to add additional info to Help:Sorting. Maybe you can create a section specifically about data-sort-type="text" and link to revisions of List of songs recorded by Adele as examples. --Timeshifter (talk) 22:32, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback. I've had a go at tidying up and expanding the subsections within Help:Sorting#Creating sortable tables based on a simplified version of the Adele album list and the information on meta at m:Help:Sorting#Sort modes. I haven't removed most of the old workaround advice that dates from before data-sort-type and data-sort-value were available. But the old tricks are now redundant so the next step would be to remove this and make the advice more focused.

Incidentally, experimenting with the album example showed that it requires several numeric rows at the top of the table to confuse the tablesorter into ignoring the non-numeric titles further down. If 19 and 21 had fewer songs listed at the start, the table would have sorted correctly all along! — Richardguk (talk) 02:46, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is an autodetection based on the first 5 rows I believe. If there is no consistent detected datatype in the first 5 rows, then it will pick textual. Good work on cleaning up some of the help page. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:57, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

{| class="wikitable sortable" border="1" 
|-
! style="border-bottom:none" |
! colspan=2 |Data columns
|-
! style="border-top:none" |name
! data
! more data
|-
| cats
| 273
| 53
|-
| dogs
| 65
| 8,492
|-
| mice
| 1,649
| 548
|}

{| class="wikitable sortable" border="1" 
|-
! rowspan=2 | name
! colspan=2 | Data columns
|-
! data
! more data
|-
| cats
| 273
| 53
|-
| dogs
| 65
| 8,492
|-
| mice
| 1,649
| 548
|}

	Barisan Nasional			Pakatan Rakyat			Others			Total
State	Seats	*	+/-	Seats	*	+/-	Seats	*	+/-	Seats
Johor	38	68%	12	18	32%	12	0	0%		56
Kedah	21	58%	7	15	42%	4	0	0%	2	36
Kelantan	12	27%	5	33	73%	5	0	0%		45
Malacca	21	75%	2	7	25%	2	0	0%		28
Negeri Sembilan	22	61%	1	14	39%	1	0	0%		36
Pahang	30	71%	8	12	29%	8	0	0%		42
Penang	10	25%	1	30	75%	1	0	0%		40
Perak	31	53%	3	28	47%	1	0	0%	4	59
Perlis	13	87%		2	13%		0	0%		15
Sabah	48	80%	9	11	18%	10	1	2%	1	60
Selangor	12	21%	9	44	79%	10	0	0%		56
Terengganu	17	53%	7	15	47%	7	0	0%		32
Total	275	54%	32	229	45%	41	1	0%	7	505

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