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I don't have the time, but figured could always add a few more such as [[Isamu Togawa]], [[User:Sadads|Sadads]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 14:07, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
I don't have the time, but figured could always add a few more such as [[Isamu Togawa]], [[User:Sadads|Sadads]] ([[User talk:Sadads|talk]]) 14:07, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

== "Le mort d'amour" ? ==

I severely doubt the reliability of the source that claims the French have an euphemism for death during sex called "le mort d'amour", because that is not even grammatically correct - mort is feminine, so it should be "la mort d'amour". What's more, it is not really euphemistic (it basically means "death by love"), and it is completely news to me that it would be an euphemism for death during sex. There are movies and songs called "Mourir d'amour" or "Mourir d'aimer" and none of them refer to death during sex - generally it would refer to one dying (or letting themselves go to waste) from loving the wrong person, either because the love is unrequited or because the relationship is ...unwise. "Amour" can mean sex but in the context of death it always means love as far as I can figure out.
The only death-related euphemism that relates to sex that I can think of is "[[la petite mort]]".
I understand that citability is more important than truth, but either the source is being misreported or they are pulling their French out of their ass.

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Death by "electric nipple clamps"... and other jewels

Yeah that was the woman who got electrocuted by her nipple clamps, ruled homicide. I got all of those that were verifiable. Thanks! :) Keilana|Parlez ici 20:21, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Definition of death during consensual sex

What constitutes "death during consensual sex"? See this removal - erotic consensual cannibalism and erotic asphyxiation. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:29, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Erotic asphyxiation and people who have died from it are covered in Auto-erotic asphyxiation so I don't think it needs to be included here beyond maybe a see also. I'm iffy on the cannibalism because as far as I know there wasn't actual sex happening with that incident as there was in all of the other entries but I'd be open to including it. What do you think? Keilana|Parlez ici 13:50, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The asphyxiation deaths perhaps should be copied here, because death is not an intended part of the practice. As for the cannibalism, sex can mean many different things. Whatever happened in that case may not have a good word to describe it but media reports suggested that the event was erotically motivated. Perhaps other people can think about this. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:33, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

When does sex end?

There was a death in the case of Judith Beheading Holofernes. Does "sex" include such things as cuddling or beheading after intercourse? Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:37, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I'm not sure. I mean, Pope John XII probably stopped having sex when his mistress's husband started beating him with a hammer. So maybe Judith falls in? I'd love to hear another perspective on this. Keilana|Parlez ici 15:42, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

List of deaths

Shouldn't we limit this to notable people, per WP:LISTPEOPLE? Otherwise this could get out of hand very quickly. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:59, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Since it's an embedded list rather than a standalone list, I think that Wikipedia:Source_list#Listed_items would be the governing policy, which requires verifiability/sourcedness, not notability. I don't do a lot of stuff with list policy, so I could be wrong about that. Kevin Gorman (talk) 23:14, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fair enough, although I think once it reaches a certain size it should be limited to notables. The number of notables already on the list has aroused my interest, although several of them are conjecture (i.e. no documentation that they died in or immediately following the act). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:20, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think at some point, if the list grows, I think it might be interesting to break out the articles into various different types of sexual activity as well, Sadads (talk) 13:55, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Other deaths to add

I don't have the time, but figured could always add a few more such as Isamu Togawa, Sadads (talk) 14:07, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Le mort d'amour" ?

I severely doubt the reliability of the source that claims the French have an euphemism for death during sex called "le mort d'amour", because that is not even grammatically correct - mort is feminine, so it should be "la mort d'amour". What's more, it is not really euphemistic (it basically means "death by love"), and it is completely news to me that it would be an euphemism for death during sex. There are movies and songs called "Mourir d'amour" or "Mourir d'aimer" and none of them refer to death during sex - generally it would refer to one dying (or letting themselves go to waste) from loving the wrong person, either because the love is unrequited or because the relationship is ...unwise. "Amour" can mean sex but in the context of death it always means love as far as I can figure out. The only death-related euphemism that relates to sex that I can think of is "la petite mort". I understand that citability is more important than truth, but either the source is being misreported or they are pulling their French out of their ass.