Sathya Sai Baba is a living person, who lives in a small city called "Puttaparthi", in South India, state of Andhra Pradesh. Thousands of people gather everyday to see him, in a place called Sai Kulwant Hall, inside a complex called "Prasanthi Nilayam", where Sai Baba's residence is located. This people believe he is a saint.

On the other hand, there is a group of people who believes he is a criminal.

So, we have two radically opposite points-of-view.

The article in Wikipedia is being used by the group with the "anti-Baba" point-of-view to do theirs propaganda. This group is engaged in a strong effort to avoid the article to be a truly representative of NPOV.

Currently, the article suffers from:
- lack of NPOV
- offends Basic Human Dignity
- suffers from Information Supression

Link to the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sathya_Sai_Baba

In the brief description of the case, above, I myself have assumed a neutral point-of-view.

Below, a link to my first comment about the article. There, I write with my own POV feelings, but using NPOV arguments, so neutral editors could follow and, with common sense, agree: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sathya_Sai_Baba#What_if_Sai_Baba_is_really_an_Avatar.3F

But, after that, I found many unpleasant things:
- trying to edit results in "removal of large-scale vandalism", and the edit vanishes from the history; (thus, the history itself is biased)
- there is an editor, "White adept", acting as policeman to maintain biased, not-NPOV status quo;
- there is another user, "Andries", faking a positive POV; (thus, you are mislead)
- their combined actions drive anybody who arrives to read all negative-POV references;
- also, they managed a pack of ready-made arguments that classifies the huge amount of positive-POV references as "not reliable";
- making, in this way, extremely difficult, if not impossible, to restore or improve the article's quality.

This article constitutes a very serious issue for Wikipedia itself. Millions of people around the world support Sai Baba's efforts (six million, in the negative-POV estimate; from 50 to 100 millions, in the positive-POV estimate). The current article is an offense not only to Sai Baba himself, but also to all of them.

Thank you.

(Shell Kinney, I have also warned Ryan Postlethwaite, with no reply until now, and Sunray, who is currently too busy but kindly took a brief look and gently replied. I hope you can, at least, be aware of how urgent this issue is, and if possible give some support.)

You were apparently away from Wikipedia for a few days. I hope this was something enjoyable like a vacation or holiday rather than something stressful. Much has transpired in that time and we have reached an impasse which sorely needs the assistance of a mediator. Can you pick up where you left off? Thanx. --Richard (talk) 16:49, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your input regarding a question for the mediation committee is requested. Please see Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_mediation#Would_this_case_be_accepted.3F. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 14:31, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Shell,

The page for TV 3 Medford http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV3_Medford is being written by a Daniel Sarno and a Gary Zappelli.

Sarno's ISP is 70.88.213.234 he also seems to have a page here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Daniel_A._Sarno_Jr.&action=edit&redlink=1

This is not a neutral page as Sarno is a newly installed manager while the station is being evaluated by the Mayor of Medford. Anything Sarno writes is propaganda. Hoping I'm following the rules of this talk page, still learning how to write on this site.

Petition (talk) 23:32, 13 March 2009 (UTC)PetitionPetition (talk) 23:32, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

One of Wikipedia's most important policies is called neutral point of view - in a nutshell, articles should be written in a factual and encyclopedic manner and backed up with high quality references. Articles should neither be promotional in tone, nor should they unfairly present the subject in a negative light. I believe when we last spoke on this issue, I indicated that it was inappropriate for you to insert opinion into the article and if you could provide high quality references, the article could be updated to include that information so long as it was added in a factual manner and not given undue weight.

Your recent edits to the article have been problematic; if you cannot keep your personal feelings about the subject in check, please consider not editing the article. In addition to removing standard items such as the company infobox, the version you revert to contains a great deal of negative opinion. Again, negative facts are acceptable, opinion is not. Shell ^babelfish 00:38, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Understood, Shell, I'm working to learn how to do this and accept your information. Thank you. I do not want to be problematic. Many of us are learning how to post good information for Wikipedia effectively.

Please note that even your new edits have just been changed by someone almost immediately after you published them. I suggest you monitor the site and protect it from the ongoing vandalism. I would be happy to provide facts in an encyclopedic manner backed up with quality references. There are not a lot of public access tv stations from the Boston area on Wikipedia, why is Medford on Wikipedia and important stations like Somerville and Cambridge are not? The reason: it is obvious that Medford Community Cablevision, Inc. is building a web page on Wikipedia posting their information and attempting to write their "mission" - that is hardly encyclopedic. Petition (talk) 01:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)petitionPetition (talk) 01:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Then the proper way to deal with that is through a deletion discussion (see WP:AFD). Shell ^babelfish 18:09, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with a deletion discussion is that - if deletion occurs - any of the good points of cable access in Medford, which the station refuses to allow on "their" Wikipedia site, will be eliminated. Deletion is throwing the baby out with the bathwater; Dasonras (which is Sarno, the station manager's name, backwards), is part of ZappTV and Tv3Medford - they are issuing their propaganda, which is not neutral and doesn't serve the public interest. There's nothing "neutral" about the brand new manager of the TV station getting paid by the station to promote its agenda without any regard to public interest. Petition (talk) 19:28, 16 March 2009 (UTC)petitionPetition (talk) 19:28, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you feel the subject doesn't deserve an article the way to handle that is through deletion. If its simply a concern over the content of the article, that can be resolved through normal editing. No one editor (or group) controls a Wikipedia article, instead the article content is built by a variety of interested people under Wikipedia editing guidelines. Shell ^babelfish 21:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have made an edit quoting from Robert St John's book 'Ben Gurion' in an addition to Golda Myer's biography. I have put an internal link on St John which shows up as a link you deleted some time ago. I am uncertain that it is the same person. Would it be best to withdraw my link? Best wishes.Padres Hana (talk) 21:01, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article that was deleted was about a British naturopath so I believe your Robert St John is likely a different person. However, unless the subject is notable, its not likely worth it to create a link, especially since the article is current a redirect and likely to be confusing. Shell ^babelfish 00:49, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shell: I am in the midst of trying to meet a major publishing deadline and cannot deal with the continual personal attacks and incivilities of User:Jezhotwells, who removed your warning from his/her talk page immediately after you made it and has just kept it up.Version w/ your post. Please assist if you can. I've removed the additional further personal attacks from Talk:Bibliography for Harold Pinter.Diffs. This user needs some kind of additional warning or sanction. Thank you if you can assist. I really have to be offline doing other work. --NYScholar (talk) 03:35, 16 March 2009 (UTC) [updated w/ diffs. link; seems possibly a bit calmer since I removed the stuff, including my own replies to it. Back offline. --NYScholar (talk) 09:54, 16 March 2009 (UTC)][reply]

Seeking administrative assistance with User:Jezhotwells disruptions in Harold Pinter (Talk:Harold Pinter) and Talk:Bibliography for Harold Pinter. Thank you if you can help. --NYScholar (talk) 17:52, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Wikipedia:Editor review/Jezhotwells, which is making the request for reviewing his/her own editing a focus on another contributor (me). Something very wrong going on since the editor rejoined Wikipedia. This is unacceptable behavior. --NYScholar (talk) 18:07, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've responded in detail on your talk, but one specific point - Jezhotwells is simply answering a question about dealing with disputes and frankly, you two are in a dispute - this is not inappropriate. You might want to look at what Jezhotwells had to say and consider what you might do to resolve the situation. Shell ^babelfish 18:21, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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["Talkback" is an unfortunate name for this template as I do not perceive myself as "talking back" to Shell or anyone else, but merely as responding to their comments! :-)] --NYScholar (talk) 20:16, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]