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This page should not be moved. Gendercide also includes sex-selective killing of men. There is growing literature on this phenomenon (see Gendercide and Genocide by Adam Jones, who runs the [www.gendercide.org Gendercide Watch] website). This article should eventually discuss mass killings of both females and males. --SecondSight 03:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the term gendercide is nothing short of silly (the term, not the topic itself of course). First of all, with even minimal awareness of Latin we would come up with the correct genericide. And then it would still mean "the killing of a gender" (as opposed to the intended "the selective killing of members of a particular gender"). This is almost as bad as "oronym". dab (ᛏ) 10:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't really think that's a big problem -- on occasion I can be very stuffy about Classical accuracy (as you can see over at Talk:Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia), but "Gendercide" doesn't bother me too much. It still makes a lot more etymological sense than "homophobia", and even the ancient Latin form "homicidium" seems slightly irregular (for expected "hominicidium"). AnonMoos 03:48, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Opposed, males are killed as well and believe it or not it is just as tragic. Life is sacred, whether it's male or female. This article is already slanted but this would be two steps back. 76.185.10.76 11:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the question isn't whether killing males is tragic, but whether this should be within the scope of this article. fair enough, so gendercide is a neologism. We cannot just treat it as if it was a regular word, but have to state who coined it and who uses it. dab (ᛏ) 15:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The references section is larger than the article itself! I doubt that these many references are actual citations for the article. It would appear to be a dumping ground for listing feminist literature. —Malber (talk • contribs) 04:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah... Unless someone is willing to go through and figure out which ones actually belong, the entire section will have to be deleted. --Icarus ^(Hi!) 08:10, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I concur and have removed them. ✤ JonHarder ^talk 23:55, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't merge it with "sex selection", which seems to refer exclusively to what happens before birth. The two topics are interrelated, but somewhat distinct... AnonMoos 03:56, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So, I see a NPOV tag on the main article, and came here to find the discussion... so what's the issue? How is this article not neutral as it stands?--Adzze 23:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No idea. Its been there since at least last October, so I'm removing it since whoever placed it didn't feel the need to come to the talk page and explain.--Crossmr 23:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Should seperate (a) page(s) be established for feminicide and the male counterpart, or redirects put into place? Feminicide at least needs to come up when entered in wiki.. Came here first to gather consensus. --Iliaskarim 17:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No I don't think so. We should instead look to add referenced material for Viricide (murder of males) and Femicide (murder of women), the example of the bosniak men being singled out for murder is a good one. I'll try and source that. That is exactly the kind of act one would use as an example of viricide because the perpetrators are singling the men and boys out to prevent them from someday taking up arms against them. There are many examples of this throughout history. Femicide is easier to find examnples of us becuase it's more common, but Viricide is just as real.LiPollis 16:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I would actually expect viricide to be more common. The "traditional" method of warfare is to kill the men and abduct the women, not the other way round. It's just that this isn't usually described as "viricide" but rather simply as "warfare". Unless, of course, you take feminicide to mean the killing of women by men, and viricide the killing of men by women, in which case I'll grant you the former is more common. In fact, I see no reason not to {{split}} this into feminicide and viricide since these are clearly two entirely different types of -cides that occur in entirely different contexts, united only by an awkward neologism. dab (𒁳) 15:38, 15 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Should they be mentioned or is it just larger scale events that come under this term? Would Jack the Ripper, Harold Shipman or John Bodkin Adams be relevant here? All focused on women mainly.Malick78 12:50, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While some serial killers are gender-selective in their victims, Gendercide is about systematic murder (like genocide or "ethnic cleansing") - so yes it really "larger scale events" that are gendercide--Cailil ^talk 13:07, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Homicide, for example, is homicide, whether it's intentional or not. (Likewise I disagree with the notion that Regicide or Tyrannicide should not include such persons killed in battle. But, that's maybe apples and oranges here.) There's no point in trying to exclusively define a word that standing alone is not any more specific. If a killing is a (insert victim type here)-icide, any killing of that victim qualifies (whether intentional or even especially selective). Especially if the victims of multiple homicides by one party are only of one particular demographic then those homicides can characterized by their shared victim qualification.

That is, serial murderers, just the same as human rights abusers, are killing their victims according to pre-selected characteristics. Often-times by gender. This goes to motive and modus operandi, and so it is worthwhile to describe these killings by such. That the scale of the crime as well as the motivation differs from the mass murder perpetrated by nations is not really relevant. 76.111.80.228 (talk) 23:07, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]