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*Sorry, Wil. I'm no expert on the infoboxes. Try [[User:Ericg]], I think he'll have a better idea of what to do. He may not be around right now, however. [[User:Fernando Rizo|Fernando Rizo]] [[User_talk:Fernando Rizo|''T'']]/[[Special:Contributions/Fernando_Rizo|''C'']] 09:57, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
*Sorry, Wil. I'm no expert on the infoboxes. Try [[User:Ericg]], I think he'll have a better idea of what to do. He may not be around right now, however. [[User:Fernando Rizo|Fernando Rizo]] [[User_talk:Fernando Rizo|''T'']]/[[Special:Contributions/Fernando_Rizo|''C'']] 09:57, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

== Re: 3RR Violation at [[Terri Schiavo]] ==

:<font color=000099>This is a copy of your message from my page.--[[User:GordonWattsDotCom|GordonWattsDotCom]] 17:15, 7 September 2005 (UTC)</font>

Gordon, after reviewing the edit history carefully, I can see that you most definitely violated [[WP:3RR]] today at [[Terri Schiavo]]. These are the edits in question:
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terri_Schiavo&diff=prev&oldid=22736896 First revert]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terri_Schiavo&diff=prev&oldid=22748793 Second revert]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terri_Schiavo&diff=prev&oldid=22749775 Third revert]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terri_Schiavo&diff=prev&oldid=22751149 Fourth revert]

Normally, this is grounds for an automatic twenty-four hour ban; however, in this case I feel it would be counter-productive, as you need to be able to edit the Terri Schiavo talk page in order to sort out the differences that you're having with [[User:FuelWagon]] and [[User:RN]]. I have protected the article for now, and I would like to see some [[WP:Civility|civil]], [[WP:AGF|good faith]] attempts at compromise with those other users. Please don't make me regret my leniency in this case. Leave me a talk page message if you have any questions.

Please note, I am not interested in taking sides on this issue. My only desire is to see a consensus formed and I will enforce that consensus, whatever it may be. [[User:Fernando Rizo|Fernando Rizo]] [[User_talk:Fernando Rizo|''T'']]/[[Special:Contributions/Fernando_Rizo|''C'']] 09:21, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

:<font color=000099>I looked that the diffs in question, and the first one was a simple (but "contentious") edit, anb the second one was in the spirit of a revert, but I didn't techically use the revert tool (by clicking on an older version), as you can see as an admin.</font>

:<font color=000099>However, while I don't feel I violated the letter of the law, I feel I either violated or came very close to violating the siprit of the law, the higher standard that I (and others) have long ago set.</font>

:<font color=000099>The reason I even made the first edit was to improve the quality of the paragraph -and set it up for the second edit, adopting an older version that FuelWagon had not liked; he wanted a source to address the "atypical" language I chose to use, and I gave him that source. So, it (the 2nd "revert") was not "technically" a revert, but I did use a "version" of a prior edit, but with modifications to make Wagon happy. '''''The 3rd and 4th edits were certainly reversions, as I indicated in my talk posts.''''' I was getting frustrated with POV-pusher, such as Wagon, and asked for help. Thank you for any assistance you can give, Fernando.--[[User:GordonWattsDotCom|GordonWattsDotCom]] 17:15, 7 September 2005 (UTC)</font>

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Archived talk sections

Archive I (Feb-July 2005) Archive II (1 August 2005 - 8 August 2005) Archive III (9 August 2005 - 21 August 2005) Archive IV (21 August 2005 - 26 August 2005)

Current talk

Please help adding an item,

Dear Fernando,

I have prepared the folowing stuff for entry Sex_Magick, but due to my Internet Account Filtering I am unable to edit the Sex Magick Page. Please add following stuff at the end of the page Sex_Magick.

Best Regards, User:Sepand

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There always have been some unrevealed mysteries about sex magick. But Aleister Crowley teases us with commentaries on Atu XV in The Book of Thoth relating to sex magick and the eye of Ra/Horus/Shiva:

"There is a special technical magical meaning, which is explained openly only to initiates of the Eleventh degree of the O.T.O.; a grade so secret that it is not even listed in the official documents. It is not even to be understood by study of the Eye in Atu XV[The Tower of Thoth Tarot]. Perhaps it is lawful to mention that the Arab sages and the Persian poets have written, not always guardedly, on the subject."

Books on Sex Magick by Aleister Crowley

  • Liber IAO, Aleister Crowley, Aleister Crowley

IAO. Sexual Magick. Gives three methods of attainment through a willed series of thoughts. The active form of Liber CCCXLV.

  • De Nuptis Secretis Deorum Cum Hominibus, Aleister Crowley
  • Liber Stellae Rubeae, Aleister Crowley [Download in HTML]

A secret ritual of Apep, the heart of IAO-OAI, delivered unto V.V.V.V.V. for his use in a certain matter of Liber Legis. Sexual Magick veiled in symbolism.

  • Agape, Azoth, Aleister Crowley

The Book of the Unveiling of the Sangraal wherein it is spoken of the Wine of the Sabbath of the Adepts. Secrets instructions of the IX° O.T.O. (Sex Magick.)

A perfect account of the task of the Exempt Adept considered under the Symbols of a particular plane, not the intellectual. Sexual magick veiled in symbolism.

Analyzes the nature of the creative magical force in man, explains how to awaken it, how to use it and indicates the general as well as the particular objects to be gained thereby. Sexual magick heavily veiled in symbolism.

  • Paris Working, The (including Esoteric record and sundrys), Aleister Crowley, [Download in HTML]

A record of homosexual magick operations.

Books on Sex Magick by others

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hi thank you!  :) Are you from España? Yes I know i sometimes check in with Lucky 9.6 but i haven't talkaed to him for a while I mean i do a LOT of work on Brazil (brasil) and pornography, sex, jewish hot women (i'm jewish and love hot women) cocaine, and South Park and I know a lot of my stuff gets votes to delete, a lot of it to merge or redirect but a lot of my articlse also are praised like our Lisa Kushell article (she is my American princess swettheart!!) I did that article with Jucky 6.9 and Superdude151. I did the Bus 174 article all by myself and that was about Brasil too. I am trying my best but I think that peole dont respsect the cutlure of Brazil here at all do you get that impression that they feel the wame say about Spain?Wiki brah 18:38, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nice to see your reply. No, I'm not from Spain; I'm an American of Latin American descent, actually. Your Bus 174 article is pretty good, especially for a new user like yourself.
The big problem isn't that people respect Brasilian culture; quite the opposite, I think that Brasilian culture is respected almost everywhere and the Wikipedia community is no exception. It's just that Wikipedia has certain standards that it has to maintain, and some of your other articles don't quite make it. But don't worry about that. Check out Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, and feel free to drop me a line the next time you're going to start a new article, and I'll work with you to help you write what you want but still meet Wikipedia policy. Talk to you again soon, Fernando Rizo T/C 18:45, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ok thank you! I'll try my better from now on!Wiki brah 18:50, 27 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Re Geek Shopping

Hi Fernando

I appreciate your comments on my Geek Shopping entry. You are the only one so far who has mentioned anything concrete on what is wrong with my the article and that ranks high in my book. I hope to address the concerns you mentioned and maybe give the article some life. I have already added the Fry's entry (don't know how I missed that since I have a Fry's about 2 miles from my house). I hope to make the article more 'Encyclopediac' while still keeping it current and useful.

PS -- I like Slurpees too!

Hey there buddy. With regard to Geek shopping, I'm afraid that even the inclusion of Fry's isn't going to save it, as it can never really be an encyclopedic article with the name it currently has. The fundamental problem with the article is that it can only be about what someone's opinion of geek shopping is. An encyclopedia can't have any original research, it can only present information referenced from other sources. I hope this clears it up for you, but please feel free to leave me another message if you've still got questions. I hope that you can still contribute to Wikipedia despite this initial setback. Cheers, Fernando Rizo T/C 17:58, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Fernando: I don't get your point as far as the title of the article. If I accept your critism of the term Geek Shopping then the term Geek has the same fundamental problem in that it can only be about what someone's opinion of geek is. However the Wikipedia Geek article seems quite widely accepted, hence the many hits when I was initially searching for Geek Shopping info via google. If a defination of Geek shopping is in order then that can be easily accomplished by referencing back to the Geek article. I don't disagree that there are other problems with the 'Geek Shopping' article but nothing I've seen so far that cannot be addressed with a reasonable amount of editting and updating (including references to original source material). Best Wishes -- Dave

Hey, Dave. The problem is this: I think that geek shopping consists of going to stores a, b and c, but you think geek shopping is going to stores x, y and z. The problem is that there's no reference we can check. A good, encyclopedic article would be able to say, "Geek shopping is defined as ______, and is also considered _____", with the statements referenced to an outside work.
The big difference between Geek and Geek shopping is that "Geek" is a term in very, very wide usage, that has had a notable impact on the English language and has an almost universally agreed-upon meaning. "Geek shopping" doesn't have the same cachet. Fernando Rizo T/C 18:52, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure how to determine if a term has a wide usage of not since this is a Point of View concept, but I notice a google search of "Geek Shopping" has around 34,000 hits whereas the term "Geek canon" has around 6,000 hits but is a valid Wikipedia article without a non-Wikipedia referenced defination (that I found anyway). I don't mean to drag this on since I have much more serious fish to fry as I sure you do to, but I hit this discussion again via Google while looking for something else.

hello Fernando

Please visit website: www.billmurphy.com. Read there main page at the end. Bill Murphy works in many styles including "minimalism" and "NeoPopRealism".

The Best, Marg

ps from Yahoo search today:

murphy Biography Bill MURPHY


Bill Murphy was born 1946 in Hartford, Connecticut, USA and grew up on the South Coast of Massachusetts. Murphy studied art at the University of Massachusetts and at community colleges in California and Hawaii. For him, learning is an ongoing process; skill the product of daily experience and years of practice. Murphy served in the US Army as a Green Beret officer in the 70's. He has lived in Central America, Europe, Ukraine, the Northeast US, California and Hawaii. Murphy has traveled extensively. Today, Murphy is operating a large format printer in native New England. Recently, he worked from his studio in Lugansk, Ukraine. Murphy began signing his work i. Murphy in the year 2000. The photos (left) were taken in the late 80's when Murphy began his art career.

He moved from California to France in the spring of 1999. Aside from a few trips to the Middle East and USA, Murphy has lived in Ukraine and France since then. He has met many artists in Kiev, Lviv, Lugansk and Yalta. Presently, Murphy is working on two film projects, one a collaborative film, Project W from Moscow. Currently, Murphy is traveling in Europe. He assists graphic arts instruction at the Art Institute in Lugansk as a volunteer.

Earlier, Murphy displayed his works at art festivals in Laguna Beach and the Scottsdale Celebration of Fine Art. His work has been displayed in several museums in both the USA and Europe. Murphy has exhibited his works at art galleries in Spain, Ukraine, France, Wisconsin, New York, Massachusetts and California. His work has been registered in Los Angeles, NYC and Hartford, CT. His painting and sculptures were part of the 1999 City of Los Angeles Juried Art Show. Murphy is listed in the International Registry of Art and Artists, an artists' database sourced by Getty Foundation. He has appeared on Russian Television, ABC and NBC; his works were published in several national publications, including Maxim Magazine. He is an print art and design consultant and has participated in the implementation of important digital color assurance technology for the Internet.

In early 2004, Murphy participated as one of the artists in the 1st Annual Lugansk Body Painting Festival, something quite new and exhilarating. Murphy completed a large print series based on the event, which served as a springboard to his focus on the female figure that continues into 2005.

Murphy has created one of the most popular of the professional artist's websites. He has participated in multimedia events for the Internet. This website was established in 1997. It has received many awards including: Art of the Web Award, Britannica's Internet Guide Award, the Gold Award from AA Project Juno and StarSaber's Award of Excellence.

Murphy has been invited to to display his artwork at: the Artist's Workshop 2002 on Crete, Greece; Art International 2003 - Zurich, ArtWalk 2003 at San Diego; the Biennale di Firenze, Italy 2003; Montserrat Gallery in Soho NYC, May 2003; Art-Philadelphia 2003, a contemporary art show June 27-29, 2003; XXX Aniversario Batik, Barcelona, October, 2003; Salon International de Peinture et de Sculpture 4e edition, Monte Carlo, November 2003: Gallery Gora, Montreal; Art in the West, Galway, Ireland, Montreal's International Festival of Erotic Art, June, 2005 and Omma Center of Contemporary Art, Santa Barbara, California in September. Last year, Murphy was interviewed on Russian-language television. A complete segment of the series is devoted to Murphy's recollections and comments on art and the art world. Was it Pablo Picasso who when asked, "What is art?" responded, "If I knew, I wouldn't tell anyone." Look for Murphy's work to appear online at Instair Art's June Exhibition of New Computer Art.

In addition to his painting and design work, Murphy has written poetry. Murphy has done volunteer work for several charities. He is a gifted artist dedicated to his work and to making a contribution the community. This is central to his philosophy and fundamental to his appreciation of life.

Murphy began his art career as a painter. Today, he is a computer artist, printmaker and film producer. His work with watercolors and oils offers a rich, spontaneous style. Much of his recent effort has gone into creating digitally-mastered prints, many of these are available on this website. He demonstrates a diverse capability delivering minimalist to NeoPopRealism. His works are world-class. Murphy's goal as a contemporary artist is to engage the viewer and elicit an emotion. With simple forms and lines it is possible to create a subtle complexity. An overview of Murphy's work can refresh the senses and might encourage participation. We can experience joy for ourselves and in our world. Murphy believes that the creative experience enlarges our spiritual world and begs for an increased participation in life and can foster a greater sense of belonging.

Murphy contributed artwork to E-Cards.com and Care-Mail.com, two charitable e-card web sites. Please visit them. At E-Cards your participation generates a contribution to protect our wildlife. Also, you can send postcards of Murphy paintings and prints to your friends and relatives from this website, if you simply CLICK HERE.

  • Okay Marg, here's what I propose. Instead of getting sidetracked with Neopoprealism in the Nadia Russ article, let's you and I collaboratively right a Neopoprealism article. The first step is going to be research; we have to make sure that its notable enough for inclusion, and we have to make sure that we can supply references for the article. Tomorrow, I'll be at my school's library inbetween classes. I'll see what I can't dig up for references and you dig through whatever art reviews and magazines you have for references, and we'll compare notes tomorrow or Tuesday. Fernando Rizo T/C

To: Mr. Rizo

Two members(Paul Klenk and TheDeletator)have been posting, nearly all of the articles I created and contributed, to be deleted, Users request that the articles be kept, all they might need is expansion. I dont think thats fair for new commers, just because his name is "TheDeletator" doesn't mean he could go out and post anything to be deleted just because he dont like it, other people do. Just like my name, "imdaking" it dont give me any power. I think they want attention or revenge. They are users that are not responsible with their powers.Imdaking 20:38:42, 2005-08-28 (UTC)

Okay, first of all, you did the right thing by not making any accusatory messages to Paul Klenk or The Deletator. Secondly, it looks like both of the articles that have been VfD'd are on worthwhile subjects and should survive VfD easily, so don't worry too much about that.
Thanks for bringing the matter to my attention. The mission that The Deletator claims to be on it worth watching, and if he brings a lot of bad faith VfDs up, it will be dealt with. Remember that they could well be a fairly new user themselves, and may need some time to the hang of the way things work around here. Fernando Rizo T/C 20:56, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

SW Cast List

ESB

There are disputes over the plot summary, the cast and the opening scroll. - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:40, August 28, 2005 (UTC)

Jtkiefer's RFA

Thanks for your support on my RFA. Jtkiefer T | @ | C ----- 05:14, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Go Eat Poo Wikipedia

I'm happy you laughed when I wrote that. I won't do it anymore, but you will never know, because I have a dynamic IP address. jk, I won't do it anymore.

    I never vandalized anything and I don't appreciate your blocking me.

I hereby award you...

I hearby bestow upon you Fernando Rizo

The Sandwich of Exceptional Excellence (Potato Salad of Congeniality cluster, 1st. class) In Panis, Veritas

this noble award. For your help and congeniality relating to all issues Wiki, and for your outstanding contributions as a newly minted WP Godling. Hamster Sandwich 23:45, 31 August 2005 (UTC) [reply]

Accuracy edit?

I'm not sure if this edit on Erwin Walsh's page I just did is appropriate under Wiki policies (aside from Be Bold). I'm therefore asking an administrator (already involved) for judgement as to whether is appropriate or not. If necessary, please revert my changes, and feel free to rant at me on my User Talk page. =) Abb3w 04:09, 1 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

Hello Fernando,

The Greek Cypriot guy User:82.35.34.24 who vandalised my User page, and a number of Albanian related pages is back doing more of the same. He is creating a lot of problems wherever he is going.

For example, he has created an article called Albanian_mafia and is creating links to it, for example, from the Kosovo Liberation Army page. He continues to vandalise the Kosovo Liberation Army article. This so-called Albanian_mafia article must be deleted because it is totally and utterly POV. I tried to report this page to be deleted, but could not figure out how to do it. So, I thought maybe you could help?

Many thanks, -- Kosovar 02:42, 5 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A sandwich can be very satisfying...

Welcome back FR! Hope you had a fine weekend. I ate weenies with the socialists and had some union made danish pastry. I had the crazy idea of putting an article I've done some extensive editing to up for FA. Nathan Bedford Forrest. Hopeing to get some opinions ideas and suggestions regarding this. I'm just going to post some of the other regular editors over there about this idea. Dmcdevit had one good idea I'm going to incorporate in the "War record and Promotions" chapter. Let me know what you think, bro, I'll be around for a while getting the dinner going here. Peace! Hamster Sandwich 01:04, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

UVSC Redirect

From [[1]]

"Uvsc: redirect Hi Nm1m- I made your Uvsc stub redirect to the existing article at Utah Valley State College. Have a look at Wikipedia:Naming_conventions before you throw another article up. Drop me a line if you've got any questions, and keep contributing. Fernando Rizo T/C 03:01, 1 August 2005 (UTC)"

Fernando,

Thanks for letting me know about the redirection. I was demonstrating the wonders of Wikipedia to a friend, and didn't take the time to properly check / format the UVSC page that I created. I apologize for the error.

-nm1m

Hurrican Katharina Info Box

hi,

the problem is that the dam'n box breakse it does not allow to place "highest sustained winds" instead of highest winds, yesterday it was fixed from a user as agreed in the discussion, but today it reads highest winds again and thats not what was agreed in ihe discussion. And i can't fix it as it simply brakes..... any idea how to proceede?

(Wilhelm.peter 09:52, 7 September 2005 (UTC))[reply]

Re: 3RR Violation at Terri Schiavo

This is a copy of your message from my page.--GordonWattsDotCom 17:15, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Gordon, after reviewing the edit history carefully, I can see that you most definitely violated WP:3RR today at Terri Schiavo. These are the edits in question:

Normally, this is grounds for an automatic twenty-four hour ban; however, in this case I feel it would be counter-productive, as you need to be able to edit the Terri Schiavo talk page in order to sort out the differences that you're having with User:FuelWagon and User:RN. I have protected the article for now, and I would like to see some civil, good faith attempts at compromise with those other users. Please don't make me regret my leniency in this case. Leave me a talk page message if you have any questions.

Please note, I am not interested in taking sides on this issue. My only desire is to see a consensus formed and I will enforce that consensus, whatever it may be. Fernando Rizo T/C 09:21, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I looked that the diffs in question, and the first one was a simple (but "contentious") edit, anb the second one was in the spirit of a revert, but I didn't techically use the revert tool (by clicking on an older version), as you can see as an admin.
However, while I don't feel I violated the letter of the law, I feel I either violated or came very close to violating the siprit of the law, the higher standard that I (and others) have long ago set.
The reason I even made the first edit was to improve the quality of the paragraph -and set it up for the second edit, adopting an older version that FuelWagon had not liked; he wanted a source to address the "atypical" language I chose to use, and I gave him that source. So, it (the 2nd "revert") was not "technically" a revert, but I did use a "version" of a prior edit, but with modifications to make Wagon happy. The 3rd and 4th edits were certainly reversions, as I indicated in my talk posts. I was getting frustrated with POV-pusher, such as Wagon, and asked for help. Thank you for any assistance you can give, Fernando.--GordonWattsDotCom 17:15, 7 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]