Hi there. Just a quick note to say I've replied at Talk:War of Wrath. Carcharoth 11:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the wrong order, I know, but this generic template is sometimes useful as a starting point (apologies if you know this stuff already).

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Sorry, I guess this goes to your talk page.

Tttom1 17:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, talking here, or on my talk page, or on an article talk page, is all OK. If people use their watchlists, the specific venue doesn't matter so much, though article stuff should be discussed on article talk pages so others can read it later. If someone doesn't reply, I sometimes nudge them on their talk page, like you did with me. What TCC said at the WoW talk page pretty much sums up my thoughts as well. I think the best thing to do is if we all edit the page, and see where we end up. We are all (I hope) reasonable, and should be able to work something out.

By the way. Your signature doesn't seem to be displaying properly. It is usual for it to link to your user page like this: Tttom. Are you signing with four tildes like this: ~~~~? Carcharoth 02:05, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea how it works, what I typed is 4 tildes, what I see on the edit page is something more: Tttom the 4 tildes : Tttom1 02:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Should I sign with the bracketted name followed by 4 tildes?

Just type four tildes, nothing else. See what happens. Carcharoth 09:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is happens when I type 4 tildes : Tttom1 13:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

You probably need to get help at the Help Desk. Good luck! Carcharoth 17:08, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

help on signature needed

I would start by checking your signature. Go to "my preferences" (near the upper right of your page) and look at what you have on your User profile tab. There is most likely an error in your "Signature" field; copy the text out here and we'll take a look at it. If it's blank ...I don't know what the problem could be. Hoof Hearted 18:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK I went there. Box for raw signature was checked- don't know why, I unchecked that, so now 4 tildes look like (and I think this is what I need thanks): Tttom1 18:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Still a little puzzling why you're piped to "Tttom1" rather than "Tttom". If you don't have any text in the "Signature" field perhaps there's another "Tttom"? In any case your sig is now working fine. Hoof Hearted 18:26, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Seems good enough thank for your help. Tttom1 22:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I thought the Wikiproject says to use past tense in spite of the Manual of Style? See its notice/tag on talk pages. 203.177.219.70 04:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

From MoS on fiction as of now: "By convention, these synopses should be written in the present tense, as this is the way that the story is experienced as it is read or viewed. At any particular point in the story there is a 'past' and a 'future', but whether something is 'past' or 'future' changes as the story progresses. It is simplest to recount the entire description as continuous 'present'". This was more emphatic a week agoTttom1 11:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That was me, I wasn't signed in. We should discuss this on the Wikiproject page instead; there are some links which explain the "past tense" usage; personally I don't mind much either way. A vote, perhaps? Anyway, I've updated the page; there's a new roll call. And have you looked at Tolkien fandom? Still could be improved. Uthanc 15:47, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Seems odd there should be an exception for one author. I have no opinion on it and was just following MoS for fiction as I went along proofing. There should be a discussion and vote, I guess. Is there a higher level of wiki editor-in-assistance-chief or something to rubber stamp such vote if passed? Tttom1 07:00, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Past tense is preferrable for the articles about Middle-earth. Consider that the "tense" of the entire series is "past tense", in general. Yes, there are segments written "in the moment", but even those are describing events that have already happened. The author is writing as if he is the translator of some ancient book (per both the series' introduction, and the appendices after The Return of the King).

This is simply a case where it is appropriate to ignore the guideline, and use what is appropriate. - jc37 09:44, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally, you seem to be having this argument on several talk pages. I might suggest that the discussions be united at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Middle-earth. - jc37 09:46, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's no response on the other page. Many, if not most, fiction books are written in Past Tense not just Tolk. - why the exception? Gone With the Wind is written in past tense, but if you are writing about that book it should be written about in present according to MoS.Tttom1 21:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Consider this as well. In HoMe IV the earliest Silmarillion is written by Tolkien mostly in the present tense.Tttom1 21:34, 7 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently only us three have noticed the tense thing. The project has been slow-moving recently... Probably because we're not all in the same country/time zone. At least could you refrain from changing the tense until a definite consensus is formed? Uthanc 16:55, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Uthanc, I stopped when it was brought up, I'm pretty sure. Someone changed one back to Past tense since. I've been editing others with no tense change. As I say, I don't have a preference and only started the changes after being directed to MoS fiction and urged to follow those guidelines from another 'talk'. Having done a couple in present tense I'd say it reads a little better, cuts down on hyperbole. Sorry, I can't help on Tolkien fandom, but I see Carl is involved there on language - he'll keep it lively.Tttom1 17:29, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that you had helped resolve an afd debate over ME stuff before, so I thought you might be able to or want to help me with this one: [1]. The title is The Edge of Night (song), and it needs some good sourcing which I can't find, and it needs a total rewrite, I think. Can you help save this, or at least tell me how? Thanks, Bmrbarre 02:20, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Added a reference. Don't know how to save it. You could rewrite following layout of the other song (which also needs references). Some references used are blind links or not really supportive of statement. Tttom1 05:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How about putting your recently added info (incredible!) about warfare in Middle-earth in Middle-earth warfare (with "See also: List of Middle-earth weapons") or War of the Ring? It seemed too general for an article on one battle, so I moved it to my sandbox and the discussion page. Uthanc 08:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, OK, I think you're right. I had been thinking to place it in the best known battle of each age. But its probably better off in a separate article that birefly treats those battle like Pelennor Fields is. How do we go from sandbox to separate article? It would be nice to have a title that draws reference and doesn't get buried.Tttom1 13:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I integrated some of your info back in, just those relevant to that specific battle though. Thanks! Now the figures won't be based on speculation. Uthanc 04:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just suppose that Tengwar writings in your pictures are needless within an article. Few people can read them properly, while the main part of the image becomes shrinked. E.g. in Tuor vs Othrod the required scene forms less than half of space, which costs much if placed in Tolkienchar box. And moreover rendering into Tengwar is sometimes plainly incorrect, especially in Sindarin modes. Possibly two variants of a picture can be stored, one cropped for inserting into articles, and a full version that can be reached via a link on upload page of the former. By the way, where are all these photos from? Surendil 08:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]