== Requested move 28 June 2023 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''moved.''' [[Subnet]] has been agreed upon here as the [[WP:COMMONNAME{{!}}common name]] <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small> [[User_talk:Asukite|<span style="color:Purple;font-size:medium;font-family:Bradley Hand ITC"> ASUKITE</span>]] 15:09, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

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[[:Subnetwork]] → {{no redirect|Subnet}} – Per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. [[User:PhotographyEdits|PhotographyEdits]] ([[User talk:PhotographyEdits|talk]]) 11:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;[[User:Zippybonzo|Zippybonzo]] &#124; [[User talk:Zippybonzo|Talk]] (he&#124;him) 15:21, 5 July 2023 (UTC)</small>

*'''Support'''. --[[User:Zac67|Zac67]] ([[User talk:Zac67|talk]]) 17:29, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' Do we have a [[WP:RS]] that subnet is the [[WP:COMMONNAME]]? I believe it is commonly used as an adjective, as in subnet mask. And maybe also in casual usage. [[User:Gah4|Gah4]] ([[User talk:Gah4|talk]]) 21:56, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

*:@[[User:Gah4|Gah4]] Yes, [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Subnet%2Csubnetwork&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=true here] is the evidence. [[User:PhotographyEdits|PhotographyEdits]] ([[User talk:PhotographyEdits|talk]]) 07:49, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' The full title is much more intuitive for general audiences, rather than jargon used by specialists. Acronym and abbreviation mania should not be practiced in encyclopedias. [[User:Kbrose|kbrose]] ([[User talk:Kbrose|talk]]) 16:15, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

*:That's simply not what the policy of Wikipedia is, take a look at [[MOS:ACROTITLE]]. [[User:PhotographyEdits|PhotographyEdits]] ([[User talk:PhotographyEdits|talk]]) 07:49, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' I believe it is subnet as an adjective, such as subnet mask, and as noted likely in casual use or jargon. Titles are supposed to be nouns, not adjectives. [[User:Gah4|Gah4]] ([[User talk:Gah4|talk]]) 01:58, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' The correct word is "subnetwork" and that is the encyclopedic term that should be used. Of course people use ''subnet'' as an abbreviation but no evidence has been presented that it fits COMMONNAME. In a similar spirit, there are a zillion books on networks and subnetworks and subnetting, but not so many on ''subnets''. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 02:06, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

*:@[[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] Look at my comment above for the evidence. [[User:PhotographyEdits|PhotographyEdits]] ([[User talk:PhotographyEdits|talk]]) 07:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

*::An n-gram is not evidence of how words are used in titles. Once the topic of subnetworks has been introduced in a book, it is common that the term be abbreviated to subnet. The fact that an abbreviation is frequently used is not a reason to use that abbreviation for the title. Should [[Celsius]] be renamed to its abbreviation? [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 08:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

*:::Celsius is commonly used in full in daily usage. Subnetwork isn't.

*:::The n-gram does indeed not provide evidence for how it is used in titles, but the titles of Wikipedia should reflect the usage in the cases that n-gram measures. So it is good evidence. [[User:PhotographyEdits|PhotographyEdits]] ([[User talk:PhotographyEdits|talk]]) 10:52, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

*'''Support''' - even in layman contexts, such as the instructions given when you by a wifi router or the networking settings visible on your own computer, the term used is "subnet". It is not jargon, and in fact the current title is far more "jargon-y" than the alternative simply because a reader would ''nearly never'' encounter the term "subnetwork" and might think this article is the wrong destination. [[WP:COMMONNAME]] has to prevail here, as the arguments opposing are too spurious to override it. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 11:37, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

*'''Support''' per Netoholic; I've only ever heard of "subnets", and "subnetwork" is hardly {{tq|the correct word}} here -- rather, it is a sort of [[hypercorrection]]. Even the [https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc950 RFC 950] refers to it as "subnet", along with the vast body of literature. [[User:No such user|No such user]] ([[User talk:No such user|talk]]) 11:37, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

:'''Support''' per Netoholic and No such user. We title our articles per [[WP:COMMONNAME]], not per [[WP:ENCYCLOPEDICNAME]]. —[[User:Born2cycle|В²C]] [[User_talk:Born2cycle#top|☎]] 04:57, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

:'''Support'''. I don't believe the evidence supports the suggestion that attested use is as an adjective. [https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/subnet ''Collins''], for example, clearly indicates that it is a noun. [https://www.thefreedictionary.com/subnetwork ''The Free Dictionary''] (AHD) also has it as subnet, though Oxford and [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subnetwork ''Merriam-Webster''] have it as subnetwork. Most other dictionaries (MacMillan, Cambridge, etc) do not seem to have either. So, even split there. Etymologically, per No such user there does not seem to be convincing evidence that the shorter form is derived from the longer, unlike internetwork. There is, of course, RFC-932 which precedes that, but RFC-917 precedes that in turn. It seems equally likely in my opinion that the two forms were derived in parallel, however much significance we should ascribe it. I do note that an intitle: search dies yield more books with "subnetwork" however it does appear that not all of ''those'' are about computing. Overall, I find it highly likely that the shorter form is much more common in its own right rather than as an abbreviation, however, I am open to revising my opinion should anyone be willing to do a more detailed review. [[User:Alpha3031|Alpha3031]] ([[User talk:Alpha3031|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alpha3031|c]]) 15:36, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

*'''Support'''. Perhaps in some people's intuition it's inescapably obvious and logical that a word "subnet" which has to do with networks is necessarily just an abbreviation of "subnetwork", but it's not clear that it's the correct/unique analysis, as opposed to < ''sub-'' + ''net'' (as found in the OED; it acknowledges a relationship with "subnetwork" but does not call it an abbreviation or even a shortening). And even if it is an abbreviation, that doesn't preclude it from being the best title. The word "subnet" (a noun, not an adjective) is common and recognizable, as other editors have discussed above, and commonly used without ever introducing it alongside "subnetwork". [[User:Adumbrativus|Adumbrativus]] ([[User talk:Adumbrativus|talk]]) 05:04, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

*'''Support''' - I personally prefer the current title because it is less jargony but [[WP:COMMONNAME]] says otherwise. ~[[User:Kvng|Kvng]] ([[User talk:Kvng|talk]]) 13:02, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

* '''Support''' per nom. As to two opposing comments: Subnet is clearly used as a noun, adjective, and gerund based on even a brief glance at Google Books results. And I am not any sort of specialist, but I have only seen "subnet" when interacting with WiFi settings, not "subnetwork". (That's just based off my experience accessing the [[Internet|Internetwork]].) <span style="color: silver; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', serif">&#123;&#123;replyto&#124;[[User:SilverLocust|<span style="color: #224; font-family: sans-serif">SilverLocust</span>]]&#125;&#125;</span> ([[User talk:SilverLocust|talk]]) 10:00, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

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