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Hello, Archives908. I spend time on researching the edit and the reason for your revert. The rationale you provided for your revert is fundamentally incorrect per the rules. It makes no difference whether the edit was a sock edit or not if another user restored it. Let's move on to the content on hand.

If nothing was posted on the noticeboard beforehand, both sources can be regarded as WP:RS. I. B. Taurus and Edinburgh University Press are well-known publishers that have never been criticized for prejudice favoring Azerbaijan or Armenia in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. If you have any concerns about these sources, please post them on the noticeboard.

Furthermore, you're referring to POV-language, with which I also disagree. The content is neutral in language and adheres to the original source. Here are the quotes:

• Azerbaijanis in Vardenis faced armed assault by paramilitary forces if they chose to stay behind.

Original, Bölükbaşı, p. 7: In Armenia, Azeris in Kalininskiy, Gorisskiy, Gugarkskiy, and Vardenisskiy raions faced armed assault by paramilitary forces if they chose to stay behind.

• By the 1960s, Vardenis, along with Chambarak, became one of the Azerbaijani-majority areas of Armenia's eastern regions.

Original, Broers, Displacements, p. 11: All of the Azerbaijani-majority regions were in the periphery, in the north-west region of Amasiya, and its outer rim to the east of Lake Sevan (Krasnosel’sk and Vardenis). The latter became Azerbaijani-majority regions during the 1960s, evidence of robust Azerbaijani growth.

Please, revert the edit if there's no question left about it. — Toghrul R (t) 11:27, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm I'm curious, since when is a WP:SPA, of a known WP:SOCK, here to genuinely WP:BUILDWP? Editor ZaniGiovanni had to report, and editor User:TheSandDoctor had to block this IP and protect this page for a reason. The text is clearly WP:POV and the fact that you ignore that is concerning. The Sockmaster writes "the ethnic Azerbaijani population of Vardenis was expelled violently" not once, but twice. Not to mention that the source is derived from Azerbaijan-based researchers. Not only is it redundant (and seems to violate WP:UNDUE), but it propels the same POV agenda which led to the Sockmaster being blocked in the first place. But, let me guess, you still want it restored? I'm not convinced. Archives908 (talk) 14:43, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling Error:

Under DEMOGRAPHICS.

Currently: The Holey Mother of God church, built between 1903 and 1912, is the town's main church regulated by the Diocese of Gegharkounik based in Gavar.

Change to: The Holy Mother of God church Thranitt (talk) 12:38, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Madeline (part of me) 15:31, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to seek a consensus, whether I can or am able to add Tatar's (later known as Azerbaijanis) name of several places/settlements in present-day territory of the Republic of Armenia. There are several sources and not published specifically by the Azerbaijan Government as they are largely considered as propaganda.

This talk/request doesn't promote the interethnic strife and purely to highlight some of those settlements history, specially of 1800s and early 1900s.

Settlements mentioned above including places like Gheghamasar, Vardenis, Vanadzor, Dilijan, Sis, Masis, etc.

Thank you. Mfikriansori (talk) 23:50, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Provided there are reliable sources to back them up, I don't see why the old (often Azerbaijani) names shouldn't be added to the Etymology section of each settlement's article – it seems reasonable considering their official usage in the 19th and early-to-late 20th centuries. – Olympian ^loquere 00:34, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Olympianloquere for your response/support of what I am about to do as long as I can provide reliable sources. I will avoid using Azerbaijani publications due to their conflict with Armenia, instead I want to use this two books as main references: * Kiesling, John Brady & Raffi Kojian. 2001. Rediscovering Armenia: An Archaeological/touristic Gazetteer and Map Set for the Historical Monuments of Armenia. Yerevan: Tigran Mets Publishing House.

• Leupold, David. 2020. Embattled Dreamlands: The Politics of Contesting Armenian, Kurdish and Turkish Memory. Taylor & Francis.

Mfikriansori (talk) 03:05, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Those sources are reliable as far as I'm aware. I would also recommend using Sevan Nishanyan's website Index Anatolicus which provides historical etymology for villages and towns in Armenia, among other places. – Olympian ^loquere 03:18, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Kiesling/Kojian book is not a reliable source. It is self-published and one of the authors is even a fellow Wikipedia user. Please do not add the first source you can find that verifies what you want to write without checking its reliability first, as another user previously did. --Dallavid (talk) 22:10, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]