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: stalin was definitely poisoned: www.nytimes.com/2003/03/05/world/new-study-supports-idea-stalin-was-poisoned.html
: stalin was definitely poisoned: www.nytimes.com/2003/03/05/world/new-study-supports-idea-stalin-was-poisoned.html
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in the absence of malice?

According to the article, manslaughter is "killing committed in the absence of malice, brought about by reasonable provocation, or diminished capacity" But malice is a desire to harm somebody caused by a feeling of hate. Now, imagine that some crazy psychopath with a big knife is approaching your little child, and smiling saying that he will kill you all, just for the pleasure of killing. But first he will kill your child to see your misery and grief. The emotional response of your brain is immediate, but what exactly do you feel? No malice? Do you want to kill him to rescue your child, but don't you feel any hatred? Really? I don't think so. 85.193.228.103 (talk) 20:05, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is "malice" in a technical legal sense, not an emotional state. See malice (law). It probably would be useful to clarify that in the first sentence, maybe with an explanatory footnote (an underused mechanism in Wikipedia). --Trovatore (talk) 20:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done. --Trovatore (talk) 20:30, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect, thank you :-) 85.193.228.103 (talk) 20:52, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Murder versus "the unlawful taking"

According to the Wikipedia "definition" of murder as an "unlawful taking", then the legalization of the murder of Muslims or Jews would mean the taking of those lives would no longer be considered unlawful and hence not murder .

The above is a basic fault of relying on legal definitions alone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Howardpearce (talk • contribs) 16:00, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's not simply a legal but also dictionary definition that it's an unlawful killing. If a country's law legalizes killings of some kind than a killing under that law cannot be murder. You're making the mistake of giving your own personal definition of murder. Moreover, war is a very special circumstance during which different laws apply. Perpetrators of the ghastly crimes you mentioned are still liable to be found guilty of serious war crimes by an international tribunal.Tvx1 16:47, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

jozef_stalin's justified murder

Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being by another. However assassinations do not count as unlawful murder (in order to protect innocent lifes) as in the case of tyrant Jozef_Stalin[1]

What are you talking about? Stalin died from a brain hemorrhage. Foul was only suspected but never proven.Tvx1 16:43, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
stalin was definitely poisoned: www.nytimes.com/2003/03/05/world/new-study-supports-idea-stalin-was-poisoned.html
Just a theory, no proof.Tvx1 12:03, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]