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Hi. I'm sorry to see you got blocked, particularly as discussion on Lordship of Ireland seemed to be drawing to a close. I know it's not a very nice situation to be in, but it's only for 24 hours which isn't a long time, so hopefully that will be enough for things to calm down a bit. I realise you're frustrated that things on these two articles aren't going your way, but the topic of Irish history and politics is, to put it as mildly as possible, controversial so it's best to try and keep discussion on the talk page and escalate things up from there, including possibly raising the issue at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard. If you want my view, I'd love a drive up the County Antrim coast, and the road through the Cork and Kerry mountains between Glengarriff and Killarney is wonderful - and they'll still be there when you and I are dead and gone, and that's where I prefer my Ireland-related editing and reading to be focused on. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:26, 15 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Greetings Sire, I am really grateful and appreciate your warm reminder, that I almost forgot my act actually ruined the history. My most sincere apologies are delivered here. However, I found the page "Enlightened Spain blah blah blah" in a dire need to be moved to a more concise simple and straightforward title 'Bourbon Spain', and the damn move button keeps telling me that the latter is already occupied by a redirection page with the same name, so if you would kindly tell me what to do about this, you will be even more appreciated. Pktlaurence (talk) 00:13, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You can read the instructions located at WP:RM#CM to request a move. Sro23 (talk) 00:14, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry to inform you that my move does not fall into the category of a controversial move.
'There is an existing article (not just a redirect) at the target title'
The existing page in my target title is simply just a redirect page with nothing. But still I could not make the change. Pktlaurence (talk) 00:21, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi. I suggest you read Military history of Finland during World War II. Germany had refrained from supporting Finland during the Winter War (due to the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact), unlike the Allies (and neutrals like Norway, Sweden, and Italy), who sent arms and other aid. The German conquest of Denmark and Norway clearly isolated Finland from non-German controlled countries and limited Finland's options. Not saying that Finland wouldn't have joined Germany in the attack on the Soviet Union eventually anyway, but the fact that Germany controlled the access to Finland made that much more likely by essentially cutting off contact between the Allies and Finland. Cheers. Manxruler (talk) 05:57, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm going to message you here instead of on the discussion because it's really washing out the relevant discussion. I think you are severly mistaken over the arrangements of governance in Guernsey, in particular with regard to healthcare and funding etc. Guernsey receives no financial support from the UK government for any of its sectors, including healthcare. The States of Guernsey decide on their own taxes and social security, and those locally raised taxes alone fund the local healthcare system and other state-funded infrastructure without support from the UK. As such, there is no reciprocal agreement between the UK and the islands, meaning residents visiting the other country/territory cannot make use of the other's healthcare without paying out of their own pocket. —Formulaonewiki 17:29, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Formulaonewiki:FOA thanks for your kind redirection. Btw you guys don't use the revered NHS?! Also could you please kindly provide a more detailed explanation to 'they mostly just get on with things on their own'? Any specific examples? I will wait for your answers before I provide my replies towards your previous message. Pktlaurence (talk) 19:16, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. By that I mean the day-to-day running of the Bailiwick is handled entirely by the States of Guernsey without UK government interference. Like I've explained, the UK government only gets involved where the islands require defence (i.e. in the event of war) and international relations (so the most recent example would be Brexit, which has influenced Guernsey's special agreement with the EU to be part of the customs area and benefit from free movement but not becoming part of the EU). Occasionally the UK government attempts to put political pressure on Guernsey to change its tax regime and change some of the laws surrounding freedom of information about who-owns-what-company (so people like Jimmy Carr can't hide their dubious financial arrangements so easily), but that tends to be limited to just lip-service; the UK government is unable to force Guernsey to change its laws and so Guernsey remains a low tax jurisdiction and fully in control of its tax system. So, by and large, the only recent times the UK government has actually interfered with Guernsey just getting on with their own thing has been indirectly through Brexit or directly but ineffectively through occasionally asking them nicely (though fruitlessly) to be a bit less of a tax haven.
Regarding the NHS question — indeed, we do not have it here! It's a shame but as we don't contribute any taxes toward the UK government pot, they understandably don't let us just leech off their wonderful free healthcare service. We have a sort of local tax-funded equivalent called the Medical Specialist Group (MSG) to cover more expensive specialist surgeries etc. so people aren't financially crippled by an unfortunate life event, but it doesn't cover anywhere near as much as the NHS (such as GP appointments, minor visits to A&E etc.) so a lot of people get private health insurance. Over a decade ago, the MSG and the NHS had a reciprocal agreement meaning UK citizens were covered should they need medical care while in Guernsey (and vice versa), but unfortunately that agreement ended and now in the event that you're not in your home country you'll have to front the costs of healthcare yourself.
I apologise if things have gotten a bit frosty over on the discussion page, I just feel like some of your arguments were based on false assumptions and so was frustratedly trying to correct them without going off on a tangent from the purpose of the discussion. I hope the above answers some of your questions, but let me know if I've missed anything. —Formulaonewiki 19:35, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For the NHS issue, perhaps integrating more into England might not sound like an idea that's too bad. Like being a new county in England, you pay your tax to her Majesty, but you can earn seats in Westminster and services of British physicians (consider them best on earth). I personally enjoyed a few services from NHS when I was studying in Britain, and I found no reason not to call it the best (system) on earth.
BTW, you did miss something😂. My main point was actually to ask you about what exactly does the Islandic privy council do? I mean, seriously speaking they can't sunbath on Jersey beaches 24/7, right? Pktlaurence (talk) 19:48, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oh right. Maybe I wasn't clear: The island doesn't have its own Privy Council, so any reference I made to a Privy Council was referring to the UK government's Privy Council which is supposedly responsible for stepping in in extreme circumstances to ensure the 'good government' of the islands, but this has very little practical meaning anymore and the supposed power they actually still have to legislate for the islands in such situations is highly disputed. While NHS healthcare would be wonderful for islanders to have, there are several reasons why Guernsey doesn't just defer to being part of the UK or part of England and paying tax to HMRC, starting with some very complicated constitutional stuff (our whole legal system is founded in Norman-French law, not English law and so it would require the overhaul of centuries of case law precedent and legislation), the removal of an entire cultural and national identity, and probably the main reason — money: Guernsey significantly benefits from its separate tax regime and it's distinct legislation surrounding the establishment of companies, structure and reserved powers in trust funds etc. It's not a coincidence that the largest sector on the island is finance! Companies and wealthy individuals will pay a lot to come here and pay lower tax than other places, and the States of Guernsey benefit from that too much to throw it away for healthcare. —Formulaonewiki 19:59, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
NB Guernsey is also quite an appealing place for companies and individuals to locate their financial affairs as it's still one of the 'good' tax havens on most lists due to their attempts to comply with at least some of the EU's tax avoidance regulations (as opposed to Bermuda which is put on a 'black list' of bad tax havens) and so they can come here without badly tarnishing their reputation. To this end, a lot of International/Offshore branches of banks (Santander, Natwest, RBS etc.) are based there alongside many finance companies. —Formulaonewiki 20:08, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see. So basically the Brit government almost does nothing to the CD isles, Islanders can not enjoy any social welfare when they go to Britannia mainland and also vice versa, the only thing they have do with Britain is that they use British passports, and the only thing Brit government does to Guernsey is to talk diplomacy on their behalf? Alright, maybe being a new English county doesn't really sound like a bad idea.
BTW, I sorta could understand your hometown pride since we both come from small towns in similar situation. I sorta envy the way how the CD archipelagos are governed—if our sovereign could try not to (or less, at the very least) stick their noses in such an anschluss-esque manner. Assuming you know what happened last Summer. Pktlaurence (talk) 20:20, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That I know, you guys run the continental and the Brits run the common, right? Well, and I know that offshoring thing also. My clan owned quite a sizable plot of land in the rurals (land is an extremely valuable commodity here!), so our elders regged a shell corp. and then actually offshored it in Guernsey. That was decades, way before I was born, though. That was approximately high cold war, when we're still flying UJ ensigns.Pktlaurence (talk) 20:20, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking of change of law... Yeah. Last spring, our imbecilic puppet government tried to change one law quasi-forcefully. Just damn bloody one. And I assume you know what happened following in June. Pktlaurence (talk) 20:25, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. I hope you can see why having some other clueless editor labelling my attempts at explaining how little influence the UK government has over the Crown Dependencies as 'silly nationalism' was rather irksome when I was just trying to give an honest explanation. We're definitely in a better situation than many similar territories with ties to sovereign states. I can't say I'm all too familiar with your situation, but I certainly sympathise with living under a bad government. —Formulaonewiki 21:15, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Formulaonewiki:At least you know our government is imbecile and abysmal. BTW, do you think ye olde Islanders are like territories in personal unions with HM, like in the case of pre-war Iceland? Pktlaurence (talk) 11:12, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I can't say I know very much about pre-war Iceland, but having read the personal union article I'd say it certainly bears some resemblance of the relationship between Guernsey and the UK. Perhaps not quite to the same extent, given that Guernsey requires the UK to represent its interests at certain international meetings where it has no seat (e.g. the UN). Additionally, perhaps the fact that we get dragged out with them as a result of Brexit suggests at least some, though relatively small, level of being too interlinked — and probably more than required for it to be a mere personal union. —Formulaonewiki 11:22, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pre-war Iceland were also diplomatically represented by Denmark, and the nominal commander of their local army is also the Danish king. Most personal unions also work in the similar MilDip mechanisms. Pktlaurence (talk) 11:28, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you warring again now? The RfC isn't complete -- and either way, everything else looks on course to be separated out anyway so why do it regardless? —Formulaonewiki 16:21, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Formulaonewiki: And I think listing them inside the sub-list is a very respectful way to treat their differences with uk mainland. We already have overwhelming consensus, but it has already been a week and im still yet to see any changes. I once suggested before the changes of RfC are implemented, its best for things to be unified before the big change. And i think its you who started warring first by undoing my edits. Pktlaurence (talk) 16:25, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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April 2021

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May 2021

Information icon Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at 2021 Myanmar protests. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. ― Tartan357 Talk 04:30, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Information icon Please do not attack other editors, as you did at 2021 Myanmar protests. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. ― Tartan357 Talk 21:11, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on 2021 Myanmar protests. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

  1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
  2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. ― Tartan357 Talk 21:13, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on 2021 Myanmar protests. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

  1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
  2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Again, you have both me and CentreLeftRight reverting you, so the onus is on you to stop and discuss. You will find yourself at ANI if you continue. ― Tartan357 Talk 18:58, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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